AMMO TO AVOID

[GypsmJim]

Wolf is dirty, but it goes bang.

Laquered steel is fine, just don't shoot so many that the barrel / chamber get excessively hot.

If it says remington on the headstamp, whether it be rimfire or any type of centerfire, it is to be passed unless you got it for free. In that case, take it and throw it in the river.

(not really, that would be polluting....)

 

[Gamecock]

Wolf is dirty, but it goes bang.

Laquered steel is fine, just don't shoot so many that the barrel / chamber get excessively hot.

If it says remington on the headstamp, whether it be rimfire or any type of centerfire, it is to be passed unless you got it for free. In that case, take it and throw it in the river.

(not really, that would be polluting....)

It's a shame. Remington was my go to brand for 50 years, but not any more.

 

[Pointblank2U]

Winchester's new "Train and Defend" line managed to malfunction in two of my 9mm pistols that were heretofore very reliable.

 

[federali]

Norma

Years ago I had a bad experience with Norma factory ammo in .357 Magnum, fired in a 4" K frame Model 19. The ammo was so hot that the primers extruded into the hammer nose hole in the frame and the indexing notches were pushed out slightly so that you could now detect them from inside the chamber walls.

It could have been a bad batch of ammo but I have never trusted their handgun ammo, nor K frame .357s ever since as S&W cuts their indexing notches in the weakest part of the chamber wall.

 

[hotrodRory]

The only two brands I've had any significant issues with are Remington - Peters and Perfecta. The Peters had horribly inconsistent powder charges. The Perfecta ammo was consistent only in that I never knew what the next round would do. Some rounds wouldn't cycle one of my 1911s, and others would still be burning when the case ejected. As for accuracy, out of a 50 round box, I was doing pretty good if I hit a paper plate 35 times at 10 yards. I figured I was having an off day and wasn't doing my part, but lo and behold, shooting Winchester white box on that same day I was able to hit a paper plate every time at 25 yards. I definitely wouldn't recommend it.

 

[chief38]

I'd stay away from Remington and Winchester Promotional .22 Rimfire lines (unless you are desperate). CCI, Federal, American Eagle are the way to go.

 

[Louchia]

No doubt there are lots of opinions on this, but my only bad experience with ammo (before I started reloading) was with Herter's 9mm. Dirty stuff with a number of FTF's.

I've used Herters form time to time . Never had a problem, no dirtier than most other. Prefer not to buy it because it's made in Croatia. They do know about guns and ammo. I prefer to buy USA.

 

[Comrad]

This thread got me searching and can't find an answer. What is the purpose of steel cased ammo?

 

[Kframerbluvr]

My employer switched to Remington in about 2010 for duty and training ammo. The grunts got lots of practice clearing failures to fire with the UMC training ammo. We finally went back to Winchester. No issues. Good ammo.

 

[Louchia]

Now that you read all these comments, you are confused. The best thing to do is to try different ammos yourself. Keep a notebook if you have to. When you find what works best for you and your guns, then you know.

 

[M E Morrison]

This thread got me searching and can't find an answer. What is the purpose of steel cased ammo?

That was done in countries where brass was in short supply. During WW 2 the US made occasional batches of .45 ACP, just to keep in practice in event that brass became unavailable. Steel doesn't "spring back" quite as well as brass, so generally speaking those guns have beefier extractors.

 

[Lee's Landing Billy]

Hundreds of thousands of rounds fired here in the last 10 years. The last Wolf 9mm ammo we got is running almost 6% FTF in striker fired guns. Anything with a hammer, 1911, BHP, and others with hammers are 99% good to go. We save all the ones that don't go BANG. No other center fire FTF, none. NOW we have noticed a lot more POOOOFS than in the past. Weak sister loads that cannot be counted on to run semis, let alone full autos. Rimfires, generally hit and miss, literally. If you have a RF that will shoot white box WW or some Federal stuff you are a lucky shooter. If you have a RF semi or full auto that won't run on CCI Minimags, you gotta real lemon. We shoot a lot, the cream rises to the top on ammo and weapons platforms.

 

[CaptRon956]

I think I'm going to add Federal "Champion" aluminum cased 9mm 115gr. to the list.... Today I felt cheap & tried two boxes I picked up at my local Walmart (wally walked it too) They have them at reg cost $9.97 a box...

Out of the two boxes I found 6 rounds that were seated too deep. They almost looked like .380 rounds they were squished in there that deep. Unless the sales kid working there dropped a few boxes while stocking them I didnt feel comfortable shooting them so I donated the rest of them to the next guy at the range. (short rounds I tossed away)

I'm just going to stick to my Win Train & defend & freedom munitions....

 

[one eye joe]

I WOULD AVOID REMINGTON AND WINCHESTER IN ANY CALIBER, ACROSS THE BOARD. I LIKE CCI FOR .22LR, AND SPEER IN HANDGUNS, IN ANY OTHER CALIBER, ACROSS THE BOARD, FOR TARGET SHOOTING OR SELF DEFENSE……

FOR HUNTING OR WOODS WALKING IN MOOSE OR BEAR COUNTRY, I PREFER HEAVY HARDCAST AMMO BY BUFFALO BORE, OR GARRETT IN .44 MAG OR .45 COLT…..

 

[growr]

I avoid ALL once fired .22LR's...they don't feed worth a darn and I cannot find any primers ,powder, dies or bullets for them!!

Not even worth picking up...I just leave them for some brass hoarders.

Randy

 

[chief38]

In my opinioon:

.22 Rimfire's BEST offerings are from CCi and Federal - avoid Winchester and Remington unless desperate or you can get them at great prices - just be prepared for failures.

For self defense & home defense I'd go with offerings from Speer and Buffalo Bore. IMHO they are the most reliable and most efficient you can get in a Factory load.

I would avoid the more recent offerings by newcomers and radically designed ammo . On paper they may be interesting and may sound good but the results I've seen are less than impressive. One of my friends just blew up a brand new out of the box revolver on the very first shot with one of the new fragmenting type bullets. The gun manufacturer blames the ammo and the ammo company blames the gun. Bottom line is I doubt that main stream ammo would have resulted in that disaster. Not saying all new ammo offerings are bad, I'd just avoid them for SD purposes UNTIL they have been street proven and not just touted on Youtube videos.

 

[fixitfred]

Last week I sent Remington a letter explaining to them that I have a box in my desk drawer containing 38, 22 LR golden ctges from the green box. They were fired from 5 or 6 different gun's both rifles and handguns in the last 6 months. I told them that I would send them back to them if they can tell me a legal way to do it. Some were struck on the rim three times.
In my opinion Remington has a problem with quality control. The priming material doesn't appear to be getting into the whole rim of the ctge. Its only been a few days so I have not received a reply to my letter. I have not had a problem with other brands of 22 ammo.

Can you imagine being in a business right now where you can say and do almost anything you want and still have people busting your door down to buy all the product you can produce?

Welcome to today's 22LR manufacturers. They just want to put out product and take advantage as long as they can and get all the money they can.

When you say you wrote a letter did you actually write a letter and put a stamp on it?

 

[gen3guy]

I agree with those who avoid Remington and steel cased ammo, but I'm going to add a different twist to this...just because I can. I avoid Aguila ammo because it's made in Mexico. Living in a border state, I know exactly what would happen to me if I got caught with even one round of any ammo in my possession while in Mexico. They don't have anything close to a Bill of Rights down there, let alone the right to keep and bear arms. Yet they will happily facilitate an industry to send it north of the border. The police are corrupt, the government is corrupt, and the military is in bed with the drug cartels. The Mexican people deserve better. I don't go south of the border and I don't use their ammo.

 

[Arik]

Anyone that has 9, 40, 45, 38spl, 357, in steel case and doesn't want it let me know

 

[hittman77]

What brands of ammo should be avoided.

22LR Remington Thunderbolt