Oh it can get very heated here. More so than the lounge!
We make a campfire and sit around and sing Kumbya (with guns of course)

We make a campfire and sit around and sing Kumbya (with guns of course)
Perhaps because they have a team of engineers and ballisticians doing their load work up and don't need to rely on imperfect rules of thumb?
Generally the minimum load published in a manual will be one with relatively consistent velocity, no chance of squibs in a variety of barrels, and not toooo dirty. This may be more than 10% below starting, or less.
Do you understand now?
/Rule of thumb: If you start a post with "I don't understand why" let it serve as a hint that you may not be well qualified to give advice on the topic.
After a bunch of reading, asking, buying, working, trimming, measuring, etc.....
(With a LOT of help) I made my first box of ammo tonight!![]()
I loaded a box of (50) .357 Mag Hornady 158Gr. XTP tonight.
I chose a mid-range powder charge of 13.5Gr. of Win. 296.
My loading manual says a range of 12.4 - 16.0, so I went with a mid-range to start.
I haven't shot any yet to see how they perform, but I plan to tomorrow.
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I think I've found a new obsession.![]()
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Congrats Hillbilly lets us kno when you start saving money on ammo.. hang on... BAHAHAHA... ok im back they look good, again congrats and enjoy your new obsession!!![]()
Won't be long before your bitch'n about not finding your favorite powder or the price of primers. Then someone will accuse you of going to the range just to make brass. At the range you won't be able to walk past a piece of brass without picking it up...It just doesn't stop!!![/QUOTE
In time you will find a favorite brass and learn to read surplus brass headstamps. There are some match brass that is highly sought after. When you find something your gun and you like, buy in bulk. You gotta love good cheap lead loads. I can make .38 specials that cost less than .22lr!
old 1911 fan
UhOh the boys are about to enter the P Zone. Break out the Rain Gear and Umbrellas
You gotta love good cheap lead loads. I can make .38 specials that cost less than .22lr!
old 1911 fan
UhOh the boys are about to enter the P Zone. Break out the Rain Gear and Umbrellas
Who the heck do you think you are talking to me in that manner? I'm 100% sure you would not do that face to face, you seem very mouthy from behind the safety of your computer screen. There are very brave people out there hiding behind fake names...Perhaps because they have a team of engineers and ballisticians doing their load work up and don't need to rely on imperfect rules of thumb?
Generally the minimum load published in a manual will be one with relatively consistent velocity, no chance of squibs in a variety of barrels, and not toooo dirty. This may be more than 10% below starting, or less.
Do you understand now?
/Rule of thumb: If you start a post with "I don't understand why" let it serve as a hint that you may not be well qualified to give advice on the topic.
Who the hell do you think you are talking tome in that manner? I'm 100% sure you would not do that face to face, you seem very mouthy from behind the safety of your computer screen. There are very brave people out there hiding behind fake names...
What in the world did I say that would cause you to talk to me that way? Advice is worth what you pay for it but being so disrespectful shows a character flaw that is ugly.![]()
Still being nasty I see... Keep calling names and getting personal. So who are you really? Someone who has had words with me before and you came back under a different name just to be nasty? You just keep talking so everyone here can see your character flaws.Says the person hiding behind a fake name? Using language a good bit more foul than I did?
Your advice implied that Hornady's load data, with a starting load more than 10% below max, was therefore wrong.
That's an assumption that's flat out wrong - I'm pointing that out. Sorry if I was a bit too snarky for your taste, but what I wrote is accurate. If you don't like that, them ignore it. You're free to live in your veil of ignorance.
You can continue talking like you are but I won't be answering. This thread has been sidetracked enough already. I only mentioned the 20% below starting charge because I was trying to keep a new reloader safe, nothing more, nothing less...
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