An interesting phone call from a LEO

Claim it and make a donation to a local Fraternal Order of Police. Better than having it destroyed. If the legitimate owner is found, let him purchase it back for whatever the amount of the donation is that you make.
 
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For the posters who failed to read and comprehend my posts rest assured I provided the officer who contacted me with the name and phone number of the person I sold the Ruger to and he was contacted. I also sent the photos in my original post to the officer. If I can re-acquire the Service Six and save it from destruction, then fine, it is worthy of the effort.
 
The fact of the matter is, Colby is the legal owner because he has done the paperwork.
I think that is the chance you take by going cheap, and not having the firearm put in your name; it gets stolen, you just lost the gun. Doing the proper paperwork is like buying insurance.
That truck that your neighbor is driving that he is making payments on? Who holds the title? The Bank. Your neighbor is driving the bank’s truck until the last payment is made.
Who is to say the last guy to have possession of the gun didn’t file an insurance claim on it? Should he get the gun back? Who is to say the gun wasn’t payment for a drug deal. You want a drug dealer to have it? There are all kinds of possibilities.

Colby, if it were me, I’d get my gun back and and go buy a lottery ticket, because it is your lucky day.
 
I don't think that the fact he might be the last person to do paperwork on it makes him the legal owner. I bought a snowblower at Lowes. They have a record of me buying it and I was given a receipt. I sold it a few years later to a guy on Facebook. I didn't give him a receipt, so he has no paperwork for it. But that doesn't make me the legal owner.

I actually received a letter from a neighboring state a few months ago. They were in possession of a firearm that I'd once owned. I called them and they said if the gun was legally mine, I could reclaim it. I'd sold the gun several years ago at a gunshow. I wouldn't have felt comfortable claiming it was still mine. Especially since I hadn't reported it stolen.
 
Colby;

Was it face to face or did you ship to a dealer? If the latter there are more 4473's out there. I would provide the police with the info for when and who you sold it to and where it was shipped.
 
Colby;

Was it face to face or did you ship to a dealer? If the latter there are more 4473's out there. I would provide the police with the info for when and who you sold it to and where it was shipped.

sceva this was a face to face sale. I could not remember the exact date but that didn’t seem to bother the guy.
 
To be clear. If you sell a gun, and in particular a handgun, get a receipt with the person’s name and address.

In NC prior to the purchase permit requirement being eliminated (which was in my opinion a bad idea, it needed to be more time limited, not eliminated) I required either a purchase permit or a copy of their concealed carry permit per NC state law, as both involved vetting consistent with state law, before I would sell a handgun to a private individual.

If they didn’t want to provide either that’s fine. The local gunshop would handle the transaction for a $5 fee, and would also require one or the other. Most LEOs in the area took advantage of that service anyway just to solidify the paper trail and make tracing it to the last owner of record easier.

Given the sun downing of the pistol permit or concealed carry permit process, the sale will now go through a local gunshop, unless they have a valid NC concealed carry permit and are willing to provide a copy. Period.

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The big risk of getting this kind of call from law enforcement would be being the last guy holding the ownership bag on a recovered handgun that was not reported stolen. In some jurisdictions not reporting a gun lost or stolen is itself a crime. Even if it’s not, it creates the suspicion that you may have sold the handgun to someone in violation of state or possibly federal law and or sold it to a prohibited individual. If you knowingly sold it to a prohibited individual, that is a crime.

Personally, I want to be able to show I legally sold it, i.e. to an instate resident who was not a non prohibited individual, with what ever documentation that requires.

I’m also just fine with universal background checks as long as it’s available as a quick and de minimus cost process.

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In this case, the OP sold the gun. It’s no longer his. Period. Full stop. He’s also advised law enforcement to that effect and provided the name and presumably contact information of the person he sold it to. As he should.

Law enforcement would then attempt to locate and contact that individual and continue down the chain to both try to locate the owner and or determine how it came into the hands of the prohibited individual at the scene of the arrest.

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If law enforcement is ok with literally giving or selling the OP the gun as:
- the last the registered and traceable owner; and
- as a still not prohibited individual;

as an alternative to destroying the firearm and or as an alternative to selling it at public auction, then that’s just fine. But obviously that’s subject to state and local laws and the department’s policies.

I’m really interested in why the last person in the chain, however long that chain is, didn’t report it stolen or have information on its disposition. Unless the dude is dead, it’s going to look suspicious.
 
Do not trust that phone call. You could set yourself up to be a patsy for a murder charge or worse.

Think back to Ruby Ridge, even Waco Texas.
 
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The fact that there is a federal form stating that he is the LEGAL owner of the firearm makes Colby the legal owner. That will stand up in court. That is why the police called Colby.

Whether you feel good about it or not doesn’t change anything. The law doesn’t care about your feelings.
 
The fact that there is a federal form stating that he is the LEGAL owner of the firearm makes Colby the legal owner. That will stand up in court. That is why the police called Colby.

Not at all true. A 4473 does not assign ownership, it merely tracks transactions at retail, or in many states now, between private parties (if required by state law).
 
The fact that there is a federal form stating that he is the LEGAL owner of the firearm makes Colby the legal owner. That will stand up in court. That is why the police called Colby.

Whether you feel good about it or not doesn’t change anything. The law doesn’t care about your feelings.

No it does not and will not. He was simply the last owner that could be traced through the paperwork chain. Once he sold the gun he relinquished any possessory interest.
 
And how are you going to prove that in court, Goldie?

The federal government has a piece of paper with Colby’s name on it along with the serial number of the gun

Does anyone else have legal documentation verifying the ownership of said firearm?

No. But Colby does. Thus he is the legal owner.
 
Some awfully unique (and downright goofy) trains of thought in this thread.

We have periodic burglary sprees where the thieves look for unlocked vehicles and take any cash and firearms they can lay their hands on. Well under half of the victims can provide a serial number for us to enter into NCIC; often the description is a vague, "black 9mm" or ".38 with a wood grip".

Through traces we've managed to return property to owners who weren't able to locate a serial, and in a few cases they didn't even realize it had been stolen. Others have been dead ends, such as out-of-business dealers who didn't send their A&D books in. We've run across owners and agencies who transposed numbers, or who mistook an assembly number for the serial.
 
Am I correct to assume that you can't prove that you sold it to a LEO...or anyone else for that matter?

Suppose that in a few days it comes to light that it was used to murder someone. Would you still say that you feel that it belongs to you because you are the last documented owner?

Man, I would not touch it with a 10 ft pole, and if it was me and the law calls me back about it, I would do anything in my power to disassociate myself from the silly thing!
 
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And what is a transaction by definition?

Google it if you don’t know the answer.

Like any other commodity, I can buy a firearm at retail, requiring a 4473, then (if I live in a state where private sales are not restricted, which is most), I can sell it to anyone I choose who looks like they're able to own it. I have no obligation to keep any records whatsoever. None. The 4473 only details my lawful purchase at retail. If police come around asking if I still own it, I will simply tell them the truth - I sold it and kept no records since I'm not a dealer.

I've been a FFL licensee and am a retired police officer.
 
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Not yours. The real sad thing is if the legitimate owner doesn't claim it...it may be destroyed which helps no one.

The legitimate owner probably has a relative who stole and sold it for his drug habit. Legitimate owner does not want to get involved.

As a cop I seen that happened a lot.
 
And how are you going to prove that in court, Goldie?

The federal government has a piece of paper with Colby’s name on it along with the serial number of the gun

Does anyone else have legal documentation verifying the ownership of said firearm?

No. But Colby does. Thus he is the legal owner.

If all 50 states required the 4473 I might agree with your thoughts. The fact that in some states transfer of ownership does not require a 4473 I think it could have legally changed hands many times.
 
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