An open carry observation

[Oldsalt66]

Here's an Alaskan open carry hero! Making friends for the firearms community! Cocked and Locked 1911 in an Anchorage Costco. Friend sent this pic to me a couple years ago.View attachment 793911

A) I think that guy looks like a jerk with that inappropriate get up.

And

B) the other folks in that picture don't appear to be in the least horrified by his presence.

 

[Brian Parrish]

In Florida, it's simple... We will all have to pay Personal Income Tax if open carry is ever adopted. It decays tourism, which is why we don't pay income tax. Tourists don't want to see non-LEOS carrying a hog-leg while their kids worship the Imaginary Rodent. The Leg always brings it up, and it always gets voted down. Solid planning.

Interesting point but only if you have data.
Can you link me to that?
I am well aware of how lower crime rates affect tourism, which shows in the data. If open carry had a meaningful effect, then I would expect the opposite of your contention.
Let us know what you've got.

 

[MelvinWalker]

In Florida, it's simple... We will all have to pay Personal Income Tax if open carry is ever adopted. It decays tourism, which is why we don't pay income tax. Tourists don't want to see non-LEOS carrying a hog-leg while their kids worship the Imaginary Rodent. The Leg always brings it up, and it always gets voted down. Solid planning.

No...We won't...46 states already have open carry and 1/10th of 1% of the population actually does it.

It will make zero difference in "tourism", just like it did everywhere else...Most people in Central Florida would like a few less tourists anyway, (not that this issue is going to matter one way or the other),.

 

[MelvinWalker]

OK??

I mean I went to great length explaining that I abide by it. What's your point?

The point is that it's Federal Law because it's a Federal building....That's the point.

 

[Brian Parrish]

No...We won't...46 states already have open carry and 1/10th of 1% of the population actually does it.

It will make zero difference in "tourism", just like it did everywhere else...Most people in Central Florida would like a few less tourists anyway, (not that this issue is going to matter one way or the other),.

I think maybe some of our brothers here might appreciate reading "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott.
On our forum here, the possibility of a deterrence effect is welcomed when associated with concealed carry, but sorely unwelcome when the consideration is associated with open carry. Lott suggested that any deterrence effect by CCW would be undetectable until or unless the practice reached critical mass.

 

[ladder13]

I only OC while hunting, my CHOICE. I am not against OC, make your choice accept the result.

All I read here is speculation with nary a fact or data to prove anything. A couple of snatches over the many years is your argument?

 

[biku324]

I think maybe some of our brothers here might appreciate reading "More Guns, Less Crime" by John Lott.
On our forum here, the possibility of a deterrence effect is welcomed when associated with concealed carry, but sorely unwelcome when the consideration is associated with open carry. Lott suggested that any deterrence effect by CCW would be undetectable until or unless the practice reached critical mass.

Lott's cherry-picked secondary analysis of his favorite other folks' data totally ignores the fact that crime generally is down dramatically nationwide, with violent crime highest in the early '70s, a second, lower peak in 1995/1996, then a much smaller peak towards the end of COVID isolation (which had not yet happened when he published the book). No one in the social research field takes it, or Lott for that matter, seriously.

One of many, many critiques:

Lott has argued that mass shooters seek out gun-free zones, despite evidence to the contrary. And research has consistently demonstrated that states with less restrictive concealed carry laws actually have higher rates of violent crime than states with no such laws. Even conservative researchers have detailed issues with Lott's work, and questioned why some media organizations continue to repeat his findings.

Discredited Gun Researcher Out at Justice Department

John Lott, who pushes the theory that “more guns = less crime,” was hired in October to advise on crime data.

www.thetrace.org

Another:
Stanford Law Review: Lott's Central Hypothesis Is "Without Credible Statistical Support." In a Stanford Law Review report titled "The Latest Misfires in Support of the 'More Guns, Less Crime' Hypothesis," Ian Ayres and John J. Donohue III studied how coding errors in data undermine Lott's "More Guns, Less Crime" hypothesis. The authors explain: https://www.mediamatters.org/john-lott/who-gun-advocate-john-lott

 

[Terry G]

I go to the VA hospital several times a year and they have signs prohibiting firearms in the building, but have never herd of any restriction in a vehicle parked in the parking are. I wonder if the rules vary according to location?

The sign at the entrance say's "No Firearms or Weapons allowed on these premises." So I think you can get burned leaving it in the car. I leave it with my Wife while the Doctor or NP does whatever they need to do. My Wife shops until I give her a call to pick me up. I carry under LEOSA, so would they prosecute? Probably not, but I'm not gambling with the best Health Care I've ever had, free of charge, and they pay me for 100 miles I travel. Private Health Care sucks badly compared to the VA. I only open carry when I'm here or someplace like it. Then it's a handgun AND a Rifle or Shotgun.

 

[biku324]

The VA saved both of my BILs' and best contracting buddy's lives with prompt diagnosis and treatment of Agent Orange-specific prostate cancer.