Aneurisms - A Heads Up

Dennis The B

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I got an email from a long-time friend late last week. It was in the form of a "heads up" for his friends.

About a year ago, he went to the doctor with back pain in the upper back. He plays a lot of golf and baseball, and he had assumed it went part and parcel to being age 65. He went to the doctor who performed a CT scan, gave him some heat therapy, ibuprofen, and sent him home. The pain went away.

Four weeks ago, he had a recurrence of the back pain, and went back to the doctor. The doctor decided to perform another CT scan, and run a few more tests. While my friend was still in the doctor's office, he was sent directly to a vascular surgeon, and the CT scans were sent to the surgeon.

It turns out the aorta had enlarged since the baseline CT scan from one year ago. He immediately put my friend in the hospital, and performed a stent procedure to repair an Abdominal Aortic Aneurism (AAA).

My friend is receiving further treatment, and the other arteries are in good condition with no signs of aneurism(s).

I talked to my friend Monday, and told him he had virtually dodged a bullet (no pun intended).

I have experience with two other folks who died from Abdominal Aortic Aneurisms.

Another close friend, in 2005, who worked in the same office, went home, complained of back pain; sat down on the sofa, and died immediately: Abdominal Aortic Aneurism.

In 2006, my brother complained of upper back pain, thinking he had pulled a muscle after doing some work. While he sat at the kitchen table with my mom, he suddenly keeled over. My mom immediately dialed for the paramedics, who were there within eight minutes. Within that eight minutes, my brother's heart ceased beating.

The paramedics immediately started CPR. However, their efforts were already fruitless. As they continued CPR, transporting my brother to a nearby hospital (3 minutes elapsed time), their efforts actually caused more blood to spill from the aorta, into the chest cavity.

At the ER, the doctor, and nurses continued emergency treatment for another fifteen minutes. He was then pronounced dead. When my youngest brother got the the hospital the ER doctor told him that my brother was clinically dead when he keeled over at the kitchen table.

The upshot is -

Don't take back pain, especially high in the back, lightly. Neither my brother, nor my two friends had any idea that the aneurisms were there. AAA's are silent killers. Take care out there!
 
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My father had a newly-developed aortal stent installed to deal with an aortal aneurysm, but it recurred. It burst and he was gone literally in seconds. He was 90 at the time and had had the stent for around ten years.
 
Probably this is one of the most important threads you will read...If you are over 45 AAA can be present and often are not discovered ..Due to the scaring from my attempt to fly with out a w3rkable airplane, most of my internals had to b e re-routed in 86..I recoverd with in a year and went back on the job...no problems...twenty years later the doctgor discovered a slight AAA and stated it only had a 3% chance of bursing and the health provider would not ok a stent..He also told me that due to scarring and relocation of some internal orgins I would have to have a surgical proceedure anyway..That was in the late 90's..This last December while checking for some diverticulitis a dangerous AAA was discovered. The small one had grown to life threatening proportians. Lucky for me we had in the past a new specielist from the Mayo clinic establish a practice here. He had the connections with Cleveland clinic and had a new type of stent sent in with a specelist from the CC come along with it...Within 6 days from discovery I was fixed. I have had it checked twice now and all seems right and I am expected to die of old age before I die from a bursted aorta......Never had any pain period, and other than the original discovered years ago when it was so small surgery was not recommended or paid for with insurance I had put it out of my mind...I stopped to think about it later and it occurred to me why would a Mayo certified specialist even be in a city of 40,000 unless there was a need.....Now he does all kind of vascular proceedures, however the cases of AAA are becoming more regular mostly due to our life style and length of life span.....So guys getting checked by CT scan every once in a while could really save your life...As other have said only a few that have an aorta leak first ever get a warning. Most it just happens, and he told me it does seem to be heridatory.sp?.. As a post script a buddy that worked in one of our gun shops brother damned near died from a AAA last year...My friend just got out of the hospital last week from having a very serious AAA repair...Just saying..The sillent killer is lurking and with little or no warning....So take care as you get to middle age for you and your family's sake......
 
I'm always sorry to hear of the loss of loved ones, but speaking just for myself, i can think of worse ways to go.

I'm old enough to worry about the nursing home thing with various orthopedic problems, and lying down and going out quietly has a certain appeal, again, just for me.
 
Darn Bob you put it right on the line...As you point out the options are not all that great as one heads toward the 80's....Considering I have been lucky enough to survive one shooting and an airplane crash I would hate to lay the rest of my life unable to take care of my basics...Due to the fact I was lucky enough to survive external injury problems......The old saying is about right...Getting old isn't for wimps..
 
So... Scheduling a CT scan is advisable. Can anyone do this without symptoms?

With the advanced scaning available I would think they would look at the aorta especially while checking digestive tract ect. ect. As i think back aterial problems ran in my mothers side of the family...Check with your family doctor......I can't tell how much the test was because I had insurance and Medicare.....Who the heck knows what anything will cost after the New health care law takes effect......I'm sure not trusting any of our public policy folks......The more I watch TV the more I'm sure they are not the top of the food chain...either party....Health care is getting scary.....They talk like 6 to 10 grand a year is chump change...They sure arn't from Missouri....
 
I read this thread a couple hours ago and just came back to it.

I had to make a doctor's appointment.

Have the same symptoms as OP's friend. Thought I just messed up my upper back shoveling snow last winter, (or was it the year before?) Been nagging off and on ever since. Every once in a while it hurts in front.

I was due for a physical in a couple weeks anyway, 48th birthday. I got in for next week. I got a 5 y.o. boy needs his Dad for some time longer.

This place is the best. Thanks very much for posting this information.
 
AAA Repair

In 2007 I was having my annual check up and after we were finished my Dr. asked would you like to have an Ultra sound to be checked for the AAA, I said no I dont have one, but I re thought it after he said Medicare would pay for one scan in your life time for this. I had the ultra sound and sure enough I had one the size of a baseball, they had measured what size stent they would need and told me to go home and dont do anything. The next week they put it in, mine was where the aorta forks and goes down your legs. I was very lucky the Dr doing the work said, they have to be really big for you to be aware of them, she also said white males are more prone to them than most other folks. As a result I now have two equivernal hernias where they put the Y stents in but I'm still kicking although not very high. These can slip up on you and if it ruptures thats it. Jeff
 
A good friend who was a clinical pathologist in a major medical center here was sitting at his desk several years ago and screamed out. His secretary ran in and found him doubled up in excruciating pain. She activated a DR. HEART - STAT and he was taken directly to surgery to repair a dissecting aortic aneurism…as I recall, he was in surgery about 12-14 hrs. After recovery, he was able to return to work; since retired, but still alive.

Take this to the bank, if you aren't in a center where you can receive IMMEDIATE response, your chance of survival is zero. You'll bleed out before you hit the ground.

Bob
 
I am really glad Dennis the B originally posted this. I am also glad I added my experience to it...Due to the responce I think all the posters on this thread just might inadverntly saved a life...You don't hear enough about this condition.....I guess when you think about the arteries and veins it makes sense. All that BP for years. Any weakness makes you a possile target for this silent killer. Thanks Dennis .....A worthy thread!!!!
 
First, my condolences to Dennis the B. This is a terrible loss. About a year ago I had my annual echocardiogram because of the consequence of chemo therapy that might affect the heart (so far so good). They discovered an ascending aortic dilation(aneurism) located on the aortic arch not quite big enough to draw attention to it. My neurologist and primary care doc are not worried about it and neither am I - I think. At this revelation/diagnosis it scared the daylights out of me and I was very upset realizing a potential ticking time bomb inside my chest. The good news it was discovered early and they "grow" slowly but when certain dimensions are measured they get concerned. At 5cm they get excited. Mine is only 4cm. I have no sensation of any abnormality, just like an AAA it gives no clues to its sinister presence. When the aneurism bursts the survival rate is very low and you won't have much time to say goodbye to your loved ones. Until that fateful day I have a life to live to the fullest, a wife to love, things I have yet to accomplish. What else can I do?
-sevensix
 
I had a brother in law who was a lab tech at a hospital that specialized in heart operations. He was a real physical fitness nut, ran a lot and was built like most of us wish we were. He was about 45 years old, my sister dropped him off at work, a few minuets later he got a heart attack in the lab and they couldn't save him!
 
I actually saw one of these year before last in a cadaver in my Anatomy and Physiology class at college. I asked my professor what caused this and he replied "long term high blood pressure.":eek: I made an appointment and saw the doc the next week. I was put on mild high blood pressure medicine. This is a serious subject guys! Watch your bp and get a checkup.
 
I truly believe this thread will at some time save at least one life, if so we all should thank Dennis for the original post....I would guess not many of us had even heard about aoritic aneurisms.....I sure hadn't untill I had one....Nor did I ever hear about AAA while in the hospital from the plane crash...That was in 86... BTW the guy from the gun shop made an appearence at a birhday party for the owner...He looked a little peeked but was up and about....Sticthes from stem to stern but alive......Darn lucky his started leaking before he had a burst....He will be moving slow for a while but moving non the less.....Check up or be prepaired to check out....There are enough things out there to make your wife a widow at least take care of the ones you have some control over...God Bless
 
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I think my mother may have died of one. She told me the doctors told her to operate they would have to "gut" her to fix it as the vein was behind her stomach. She refused the operation. By chance I called her up (wis/calif) and talked to her for about a hour and half, the longest ever. She died right after that night just short of 80.
There was a guy where I worked who`s wife was our security Secretary. He got one and survived almost unheard of they said. I had never heard of this before, she quit work and somehow the social security or medicare system PAID HER SOME SALARY to take care of and nurse him! I guess the thinking was it would cost whatever part of the system it was less than paying for him to lay in a convalescent hospital. Anyone ever heard of that before? This was about 16 years ago.
 
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