Another concealed carry death

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ST. JOSEPH, Mich. – Police say a 55-year-old southwestern Michigan woman who died after accidentally shooting herself in the head in January was adjusting a handgun in her bra holster at the time.

Woman fatally shot self while adjusting bra holster

I guess it's safest to stick with "traditional holsters". As you probably remember, not so long ago there was a death involving a concealed carry purse.
 
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I have seen these bra holsters and for women carrying smallish guns they seem to be ideal. It doesn't matter much what holster you use if you forget your safety rules - here this poor woman is adjusting a handgun that is obviously muzzle up and somehow she touches the trigger, thereby destroying her best safety, the one that, sadly, she was not using - her brain.

I cannot fault a lady for using a bra holster - the convenience is vast - but a loaded weapon not properly inside any holster requires a whole lot of caution!
 
Training training training..... And proper, repeatable, sensible training is the only thing that will stop these tragedies. I pray that this woman's family can learn proficiency with their tools for this terrible price, so that her life was not wasted. RIP...
 
Not literally a "concealed carry" incident, but a negligent discharge that happened to involve holstering. Tragic to say the least.
 
Tragic accident, but her fault non the less.
Always have to know where your trigger finger is.
Be interesting to know what kind of gun it was, I've seen some cheap guns that I wouldn't carry even if empty.
 
Google "Flash Bang Holster". There is almost no way you can draw from that thing without pointing the muzzle at things you don't want shot.
 
Everytime this happens, people come on and say "training, training, training". The vast majority of people don't GET any training, because nobody says they have to, they don't want to spend the money, or because they feel they HAVE been trained by some equally incompetent shooter.

On another forum I belong to, there was a debate about a safety being on a semi auto. Some police chief shot himself in the leg in a gun shop with his Glock. The glock fanboys started in with the "my finger is my safety" and "my safety is between my ears". Many others, like myself, feel they are an asset, since they reduce the likelihood of an AD. And with very little practice, they become intuitive. After all, people carried semi auto's for decades until Glock graced mankind with his presence.

So one guy gets on there, and starts screaming about people liking safeties are afraid of their guns. He says his teachers in his "advanced pistol course" taught him safeties are dangerous and will get you killed. Says he carries his Beretta PX4 chambered and cocked.

So I figure he's mistaken and ask him to clarify. Was he really carrying a Beretta PX4 cocked with the hammer back on a live round? Couldn't be, right? WRONG! He WAS carrying it that way! according to him and his "teachers", it's no different than a Glock! Didn't understand a striker fired weapon over a hammer fired.

I bet this woman had BASIC instruction, and by that I mean "the bullet comes out of this end".

This is why I shoot on weekdays and early. Too many idiots thinking they're competent out there who don't know squat about guns.

And I bet the gun used here was a Glock or some other striker fired safety-less auto. She's not carrying a steel gun in a bra. And I bet she got that gun because "the cops use these so they're the best, right?"
 
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Well. You dont need money to train yourself to keep your hand off the trigger. To me that is money wasted. But training is essential for sure. People think guns make them Gods and yes safeties will get you killed. Id really just like to point out that our military uses safeties and theyre the ones looking for danger. And yes. I own many glocks and love them, but people are too cocky with saying my finger is my safety or my safety is between my ears : /
 
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I almost got run out of this forum when I posted that I would not carry without a manual safety engaged. The majority of responses were that I shouldn't own a semi if I felt that way, "no better than carrying a brick". This accident is just another example where an engaged manual safety would have most likely prevented this tragedy.
 
Far too many gun owners have gotten all their "training" by a salesperson at the LGS. It's not far removed from getting driving instruction at the car dealer upon signing for your new vehicle.

A few years ago at my local one-horse-town shop, a fellow walked in with a shiny new semi-auto. I can't recall what it was, but I will never forget that the gent bought it elsewhere because he got a "deal". Only problem was he had no idea how to rack the slide or insert the magazine. He was too embarrassed to go back where he got the "deal", thus came into my LGS for a bit of advice. The owner has been around firearms all her life, and took Mr. Neophyte through all the basic safety steps, giving him free information that probably saved his life or some else's. Was the customer a bad person? An irresponsible cretin? A Mall Ninja Trainee? No. he was simply a person who purchased a firearm before he had Clue #1 on how to operate it safely, and was ignorant of basic protocols associated with handling firearms. Now, the question of whether he should have been able to make a purchase without requisite training is an entirely different issue ... a Pandora's Box not to be opened here and now.

This fellow is not the first, nor the last, person to buy a handgun for CCW or self/home defense with minimal knowledge on operational fundamentals. He and his uninformed brethren are walking talking NDs waiting to happen. And until people wise up and realize they individually and collectively NEED a modicum of training as gun owners, we will continue to see tragedies occur. Ironically, such tragedies/accidents can happen to even experienced gun owners. The four basic rules should be embedded in every firearm owner's memory bank, irrespective of personal experience.
 
Just to add some perspective here there are between 80 and 100 MILLION gun owners in this country.

In 2011 (the last year I could find data for) there were 32,351 deaths caused by firearms (that’s something like 1/10 of 1% of the population).

Of those 32,351 deaths 591 were ruled accidental> I can’t even begin to do the math on that one but I bet it’s less than 1/10000th of 1% of the total population.

Not what I’d call an epidemic by any means
 
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