Another minor issue with SW22 Victory

They tell me the rounds are OOB, I know that not one of them fired out of battery.

My gun smith and I have been working with it for some time, tried to make some fire OOB and can't make it happen.

We have come up with the following hypothesis: The round comes into battery, fires and the bullet starts down the barrel, the pressure is too great and the action opens before the bullet has left the barrel, therefore the case is the weakest point and it blows.

We have pulled bullets and tried to make 22 rim fires fire OOB and can't make it happen in a well made firearm.

Overcharges simply blow the case, sometimes damage the firearm.

Some cartridges detonate, in my experience these are very loud, produce much black smoke that blows out of the action, depending on the firearm some out of the trigger, sends extractors flying, damages actions and barrels. I feel these are double charges or more of priming compound.

Mistakes are going to happen both in the firearms and in the ammunition, I just hate to see the firearms makers take the mistakes of the ammunition folks on the chin.

I believe there is merit in your theory as to a "hot" load blowing back the bolt before the bullet leaves the barrel which could cause the case to eject prematurely and explode. My Victory amazed me the other day by auto-cycling CCI 710 fps Quiets. It wasn't a fluke either, multiple magazines with and without suppressor installed. First auto 22 I have ever shot that would do this without considerable work to lighten the bolt and springs. S&W might want to look at the factory spring and make it a tad heavier, although i really like it.
 
I believe there is merit in your theory as to a "hot" load blowing back the bolt before the bullet leaves the barrel which could cause the case to eject prematurely and explode. My Victory amazed me the other day by auto-cycling CCI 710 fps Quiets. It wasn't a fluke either, multiple magazines with and without suppressor installed. First auto 22 I have ever shot that would do this without considerable work to lighten the bolt and springs. S&W might want to look at the factory spring and make it a tad heavier, although i really like it.

You may have the answer, the first detonation really did some damage, now she just has a glass jaw with any ammo that is over specks. Too bad, it is a beautiful pistol, shoots very accurately and is a delight, so far ahead of the competition it is pathetic.

At least we can enjoy a market place that provides us a choice when we purchases 22 ammo. I will try some of the quite stuff thanks for sharing your observation & thoughts.
 
Magazine issues

Frustrated with this pistol jamming every three or four rounds. Bought five mags and some are so poorly made the rounds fall out because the follower hangs up and doesn't move up or down smoothly enough to keep tension on rounds and mag collar. The guns also appears to have an issue with 36 grain rounds vs 40 grain rounds. I have tried both lead and jacketed rounds and have to clear the Gun so often I am ready to sell it. Never had this problem with Rutgers or hi-standard .22's. mags are garbage.
 
I've achieved a truce with the takedown screw backing out by simply tightening really really tight. I just wonder if it will wear out from putting that much torque on it. We'll see. You can call it a design issue or not, propose solutions like Loctite or not, but either way I don't like it. I'm not going to change my mind about that.

A few days ago I put about 150 rounds through it, switching off between the 2 mags. After a while, if I loaded 10 rounds, the second one failed to feed and was deformed in the bargain (bullet bent down from the case mouth). This happened every time after shooting a few dozen rounds. Upon examination I discovered that the mag follower was semi-stuck with a full mag. It was pushing up very slowly. Fed the first round because it was already at the top, but failed the second because the mag has to feed the round as fast as the bolt is cycling, and it wasn't even close. This did not occur if I only loaded 5 or 6, so that's what I did for the rest of the range outing.

When I got home I cleaned the mags thoroughly and oiled them. On my latest range trip I didn't have the problem. OK, gotta oil the mags. It's a polymer follower in a plated steel body. Shouldn't need lubrication. Compared to Ruger .22mags, these things feel cheap and flimsy. They don't take down for cleaning like a proper mag: you have to stick something in the slots and pull the spring away from the baseplate. Cheap.

On the plus side, the gun feels good in the hand, is nice and muzzle heavy as a target pistol should be, trigger isn't bad, shoots reasonably well, and the mag release is where it should be.

By and large I'm a big fan of S&W, mostly their revolvers. I was excited by the idea of this pistol, as it seemed like it would be easy to clean and I liked the way it looks. So far, I have to say I'm kind of disappointed. My old (bought it used in '96) Ruger MK II bull barrel target pistol is a better gun.

As soon as I saw the introductory video of this unfortunate Victory model, I surmised the take down screw that you must remove to field strip for cleaning would be a big problem. There have been repeated complaints. First it loosens on its own, a nice feature if you like a pistol that "disassembles itself" without warning. Then it is so tight, it is exceedingly difficult to remove.

I am waiting for some engineer to tell me what, if anything, was wrong with the push button disassembly of the 22A/22S Series which had a system that was basically a copy of the High Standard system, an excellent system indeed.

Anyone care to take a stab on why that excellent system was replaced with the Victory bad system?

It is not likely it is a patent issue as the patent would have run out long ago.

In the words of Ferris Bueller's teacher, "anyone. . . anyone?"
 

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Cost is probably why, easier and cheaper to build this way. Why not try a No.61 O-ring with the barrel screw as well. Torque it to around 35 inch lbs and be Happy for a really long time.
 
Barrie, I totally agree. I went to Amazon and bought a bag of them and the problem is completely gone. Non existent !!! I skipped one cleaning and went to the range twice, shot approx. 600 rounds and when I came home the second trip after 600 total rounds and three weeks the screw was as tight as when I put it in. The O ring is still the same one and still looks new. It really is the most simple fix without doing any damage to the screw or finish.
 
I bought a Victory about 2 weeks ago. I have put about 500 rounds through it, bulk Federal and CCI. I have not had any issues discussed in this thread. I am assuming the issues have been corrected by S&W. After a good cleaning i did put Vibra-tite VC-3 on the take down and barrel screws. So far this stuff seems to work well. Its like blue loctite but will last for several take downs. Mine came with red loctite on the take down screw. So far i have had no issues with either screw loosening. I have also not had any mag issues. This gun is on par with my Ruger 22/45, which i have upgraded with a new trigger group. The S&W trigger is not as nice as the new Ruger one but, that is to come later. The factory trigger is not bad though.
 
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I agree the 22 Victory trigger pull weight is not bad.....way better than a box stock Ruger. But, the trigger has lots of take up and over-travel.
 
Probably a little grit in the action. I just soak mine in alcohol and blow it out with compressed air, then lube it and blow it out again, should be good to go.
 
New to Forum, If I'm not doing this correctly I apologize up front.
Having a problem with Volquartsen target grips on S&W victory.
once on release the bolt, mag drops. Anyone had this problem.
Volquartsen sent me another set same problem. It seems to be all in the mag release extension.
Thanks for any help
Lgbarrel

My mags drop on their own quite a bit.....just after a shot......my finger is no where near the release button.....
it has been back to SW but still happens...they said they fixed it.......I do not have the Volquartson grips....maybe it is not the grips.
 
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