Another new product from S&W

Since most of the big manufacturers have all come out with a 5.7 model handgun, evidently there must be some interest in this cartridge.

If it catches on enough hopefully ammo prices will come down, but it's still a necked down cartridge so it's always going to cost more to buy and be more expensive to reload.

I can see advantages of it for military or police, but if you have to pay for your own ammo then the cost for ammo is going to keep this out of the hands of most ordinary people.
 
…I can see advantages of it for military or police, but if you have to pay for your own ammo then the cost for ammo is going to keep this out of the hands of most ordinary people.

Well, we ALL pay for everything the army and the cops buy, but we don't get to say much about it - or maybe I should say no one in those types of organizations cares what we think. :D But you're absolutely right, ammo is too rich for me to take any serious interest in, and certainly not something I could see myself handloading. In spite of that, I'd like to see one of those - just as a matter of curiosity, you know. :)
 
Based on Palmetto State Pricing, $3.33 per round for Gold Dot.
Over $70 to fill one mag

The FN branded ammo used to be less than $30 a box. It jumped up to $100 per box with the crazy ammo shortage. It's been $50 a box recently, but there are current sales of $36.99 per box online as of today.

I would stay away from the cheaper Federal junk. I have tried the Federal 5.7 stuff before... The rounds come off the casings on many of the rounds in the box, just loading the mag.

But, the 197 FN round is $36.99 right now. The Gold Dot is another self defense option, but is at the extreme end of cost, currently
 
When I first saw this... I said the ammo is too expensive.

Then I did some looking. A couple of places has the FN 197 on sale for $37-$38. That's better than the $50+ a box it had been up until very recently.

Now, I am thinking MAYBE.

I MIGHT buy it after seeing that Honest Outlaw review. I want to get my hands on one and then decide...
 
Looks like S&W is back into the gun a month routine..Hopefully they will make something worthwhile..

I would like to see more Shield Plus variants.

I love the trigger and the grip width, as I have smaller hands. How about a 5" slide version of the Shield Plus.

Or, a Metal Shield Plus :)
 
Did the ammo companies help S&W fund the 5.7?
Must be some reason it is hitting the market. I hope Marketing folks did their homework. NATO rejected the round and kept the measly 9mm.
 
Did the ammo companies help S&W fund the 5.7?
Must be some reason it is hitting the market. I hope Marketing folks did their homework. NATO rejected the round and kept the measly 9mm.

I think much of NATO not adopting 5.7 was due to the Warsaw Pact upping its game on body armor. There are some telling videos around on youtube and Twitter as to the effectiveness of body armor in Ukraine. It seems that the current intermediate rounds (5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 7.62x39) are having a hard time penetrating the modern stuff. 9mm and 5.7x28 have no chance. Also, this explains the crazy pressures and velocity the army is getting in its new 6.8x51 ammo.
 
As of a year ago the 5.7x28 NATO is in fact an official "NATO" round. It was developed in 1986 and arrived on the market in 1990 - 32 years ago.

The victims and survivors of FT. Hood in 2009 would probably take issue with casual dismissal of the round - certainly the three killed while attempting the rush the shooter, and 10 more, most killed with a single torso hit. These were not elderly and children, but military personnel in prime condition.

There is nothing in survivor accounts that suggest the round was anything less than immediately effective in terms of incapacitation, especially when bones, joints, and chest cavity hit.

The ammunition used was OTC SS195LF (27 gr.) and SS197SR (40 gr. Vmax).

The shooter was (had to be) "shot several times" by a responding police officer using a 9mm chambered handgun, before going down.

A single round of 5.7x28 generally weighs around 100 grains, or about 1/2 the weight of a 9mm cartridge. Original spec loadings achieved Mach 2 velocity compared to 9mm at Mach 1.3, and 45 auto at 0.75 Mach.
With a cross-section area of 0.16 in2 the 45 auto has a Penetration factor of 4. With a cross-section area of 0.09 in2, the 9mm has a Pf of 6 and the 5.7 with cross-section of 0.04 in2 has a Pf of 12. With a steel penetrator core, the 5.7 bullet, fired from 10" barrel will penetrate TL3A body armor at 200 yards. While no military grade ammo is specifically allowed on the U.S. market, specialty loaded ammo has demonstrated the ability to penetrate one-side of a Kevlar helmet and the gelatin head inside.

The 5.7x28 was never intended to be a curbside replacement of the 9mm in every possible form of handgun. What it will do is carry more rounds in a lighter package, deliver parity of incapacitation with existing handgun rounds, and deliver superior probability of penetration against not just body armor wearers, but also finding a path through the gear soldiers carry arranged around their torsos - magazines, pouches, flashlights, cell-phones, that might stop a larger, blunt bullet, while the pointed nose, small frontal area, combined with high speed hard core bullet finds a path through.

Having said that, 5.7x28 ammunition should cost no more than $15/box, which it did about three years ago, and the proliferation of gun models chambered to fire it has probably driven prices up even more than all the other social factors acting against guns and ammo. The round is a true joy to load for IF someone would introduce a reliable supply of new brass to the market. RE-loading is more demanding because each case should be "refurbished" to new spec to ensure reliable feeding. Electronic powder scales and dispensers should only be used for factory equivalent and checked against a hard scale at least every 100 rounds.

Curious to see how the ejected brass comes out from the new M&P 5.7x28 with it's gas system versus the locking cam system used in the other three brands.

People living outside of California should be glad they even have the option to turn their nose up at "the latest" handgun offering from S&W or anyone else. And the fight is ongoing in every State.
 
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Slightly baffled by the recent(ish?) 5.7 offerings from Ruger, PSA, and now S&W after basically only having FN's offerings for so long. I really liked shooting the 5.7, and I imagine this will be a fun shooter as well, but I'm curious to see how many people are actually looking for these.


If you have experience shooting the 5.7, just curious how the recoil compares to 9mm?
 
If you have experience shooting the 5.7, just curious how the recoil compares to 9mm?

The recoil is a lot less. More than a 22lr, but not much more.

I owned a Five Seven pistol back in 2008 or so, and three PS90s. Very low recoil
 
Having said that, 5.7x28 ammunition should cost no more than $15/box, which it did about three years ago

There is no way this was $15 a box three years ago.

Hell, back in 2006, it was $17 or so, if you found a sale.

3 years ago? No way. Even that horrible red box Federal costs more than that. But, that ammo is garbage. The rounds are sometimes off the casing still in the box, and several rounds will come off the case, just loading the mags.

So, stick with the FN brand ammo. 198 is better, but prices for that are still astronomical. The round used to cost the same price as 197, so there is no reason is is 2x the price now.

But no way was FN ammo $15 per box 3 years ago. And, I don't believe the crappy Federal was either.
 
The victims and survivors of FT. Hood in 2009 would probably take issue with casual dismissal of the round - certainly the three killed while attempting the rush the shooter, and 10 more, most killed with a single torso hit. These were not elderly and children, but military personnel in prime condition.

There is no question in re the effectiveness of this round. Even in my disinterest I would not gainsay its effectiveness.
 
5.7….Yaawn…
Insert flatulence sound-right here. Maybe a fun gopher pistol…..I guess it may have it's place for some people I suppose…
 
There is no way this was $15 a box three years ago.

Hell, back in 2006, it was $17 or so, if you found a sale.

3 years ago? No way. Even that horrible red box Federal costs more than that. But, that ammo is garbage. The rounds are sometimes off the casing still in the box, and several rounds will come off the case, just loading the mags.

So, stick with the FN brand ammo. 198 is better, but prices for that are still astronomical. The round used to cost the same price as 197, so there is no reason is is 2x the price now.

But no way was FN ammo $15 per box 3 years ago. And, I don't believe the crappy Federal was either.

It was right before California passed the mail order ammo ban - $15/50 American Eagle from Palmetto State Armory. I know because I bought all I could afford to pull the bullets and bump the loads to 1,900 fps with the FMJ bullet and other bullets.

So whenever THAT was....thanks to the Covid time out my memory is fuzzy.
 
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