Another new product from S&W

[shipwreck]

I only buy the FN ammo, but I have still never seen the American Eagle stuff that cheap before.

 

[rbuzz]

I have to admit, I'm not that familiar with the 5.7 round, but I do know that it has been referred to as the "cop killer" cartridge, perhaps for it's ability to penetrate ballistic vests due to it's high velocity.

I know my local gun store refuses to even sell the 5.7 round for that reason.

 

[shipwreck]

I have to admit, I'm not that familiar with the 5.7 round, but I do know that it has been referred to as the "cop killer" cartridge, perhaps for it's ability to penetrate ballistic vests due to it's high velocity.

I know my local gun store refuses to even sell the 5.7 round for that reason.

That's not true. The normal commercial rounds cannot penetrate body armor out of a pistol. You can even see tests of this on youtube.

 

[LVSteve]

As of a year ago the 5.7x28 NATO is in fact an official "NATO" round. It was developed in 1986 and arrived on the market in 1990 - 32 years ago.

The victims and survivors of FT. Hood in 2009 would probably take issue with casual dismissal of the round - certainly the three killed while attempting the rush the shooter, and 10 more, most killed with a single torso hit. These were not elderly and children, but military personnel in prime condition.

There is nothing in survivor accounts that suggest the round was anything less than immediately effective in terms of incapacitation, especially when bones, joints, and chest cavity hit.

The ammunition used was OTC SS195LF (27 gr.) and SS197SR (40 gr. Vmax).

The shooter was (had to be) "shot several times" by a responding police officer using a 9mm chambered handgun, before going down.

I too have no doubt about the effectiveness of 5.7x28 against a person without body armor. I also remember reading about the armor and helmet penetration tests in International Defence Review in the late 80s. However, body armor and helmets have moved on a little in the 30+ years since. The military generally plans for the enemy to have up to date armor.

 

[LVSteve]

I have to admit, I'm not that familiar with the 5.7 round, but I do know that it has been referred to as the "cop killer" cartridge, perhaps for it's ability to penetrate ballistic vests due to it's high velocity.

I know my local gun store refuses to even sell the 5.7 round for that reason.

But I'll bet they will sell you all the FMJ 223 and 5.56 NATO that you can carry.

 

[biku324]

Does it come with replacement eardrums?

 

[Muss Muggins]

I have had the Ruger 57 for a while. Accurate and low recoil. When I first bought that pistol, the American Eagle was $26 for 50, the FN was $32 for 50. Around here now, it's $46 and $54, respectively. I like the threaded barrel included, along with the 22 round mags, two more that the Ruger. The barrel system is intriguing. I'd like to shoot one . . .

 

[Paul in Nevada]

I have to admit, I'm not that familiar with the 5.7 round, but I do know that it has been referred to as the "cop killer" cartridge, perhaps for it's ability to penetrate ballistic vests due to it's high velocity.

I know my local gun store refuses to even sell the 5.7 round for that reason.

Total Fudd nonsense. An embarrassing flashback to the "cop killer" moral panic of the 1980's.

 

[Hawg Rider]

This is right up there with the 30 Super Carry for me. I'll stick with the big 3: 9,40,45. I don't fault them for following down the road with everyone else but, not for me. I am happy that they are going back to metal.

+1. I'm totally not interested in either the new 30 SC or the 5.7. I've seen plenty of videos on both, and although the 5.7 is really cool and looks to be fun to shoot, it's way too expensive. The 30 SC is somewhere between .380 and 9mm...who cares? I guess that manufacturers are inventing new calibers and designing new handgun models to keep up with the 16,000,000+ guns that were sold in 2022 (per the NICS background check records). Got to keep products fresh and interesting!

 

[IAM Rand]

The victims and survivors of FT. Hood in 2009 would probably take issue with casual dismissal of the round

Um, not sure where you saw me dismiss the round. Other may have but, just because we don't care for a round doesn't me we don't think it can cause harm. Just don't care for it and don't want it. Same with the 30SC, I am sure it is a deadly round but, see above. So what????

 

[Benton Quest]

I was the one that dismissed it.

There have been several noted failures of the round to perform as advertised in the law enforcement community.

In saying this, I wish in no way to denigrate the memories of the Fort Hood shooting. However, given the rounds track record in real world application, I feel that outcome was an anomaly rather than the rule.

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[ladder13]

I have to admit, I'm not that familiar with the 5.7 round, but I do know that it has been referred to as the "cop killer" cartridge, perhaps for it's ability to penetrate ballistic vests due to it's high velocity.

I know my local gun store refuses to even sell the 5.7 round for that reason.

I'd never step foot in that place.

 

[mscampbell2734]

It's my understanding the 5.7 was designed by FN to meet a duel requirement from both the military and European law enforcement/counter-terrorism forces for a compact round that could defeat soft body armor, be small enough for use in both handguns and submachine guns, AND have limited range.

Remember Europe is much more densely populated then the US. The civilian counter-terrorism guys needed something with less range and pentatration then standard 5.56 M885 round. Also due to the wide spread use of soft armor in the military old style 9mm submachine guns, such as the MP5, were no longer considered acceptable for close combat and secondary weapons.

The original 5.7 rounds were sharply pointed FMJ rounds to meet the armor piercing requirement, and that also explains why the majority of commercial ammo is HP or soft point, to avoid being labeled as AP ammo.