Another reason to be anti-EV

[DWalt]

Speaking of flooding, that's the way to put out an EV fire...

Did a Porsche electric vehicle start a fire that sank a cargo ship and sent some 3,900 vehicles to the ocean floor? That’s what the courts are trying to figure out, as they deal with a year-old lawsuit and, now, a second one more recently filed that claims the car, and the company that made it, are at fault. The Felicity Ace car-carrier ship caught fire, capsized and sank off the coast of Portugal in 2022, on its way from Germany to the U.S...

The suits claim that a faulty EV made by Porsche ignited the blaze, and that Volkswagen Group – which owns all of the car brands mentioned [Porsches, Volkswagens, Bentleys, and Lamborghinis] – didn’t tell Mitsui and Allianz of the “dangers and precautionary measures required to transport an EV.”..

Depending on the legal determination of who is at fault and held liable, it could affect the operation of the EV industry in an enormous way.

 

[Yaworski]

I'm wondering what how fun things like track days will be impacted by EVs. Back in my sporty car days I could show up with a full tank, drive all day an still have enough gas to get down the road to a gas station.

Clarskon played with an electric Mercedes on Top Gear and at full blast, the battery was drained in something like fifteen minutes (memories are fuzzy about details). I can't see having a track day and having to recharge between sessions. Also, how many charging stations would have to be there?

 

[NYlakesider]

Depending on the legal determination of who is at fault and held liable, it could affect the operation of the EV industry in an enormous way.

Well as a person that does not like the way these electric things are being forced on us, anything that slows it down or really torpedoes it is fine with me.-

First step we have to have a good grid to be able to support all the electrifying that these royals have planned for the peasants.

 

[steelslaver]

My grandpa didn't shoot his horse the first time he saw a model T, but he did end up driving a Plymouth.

 

[Protocall_Design]

They should come up with an industry standard battery size and shape, and make them easy to take one battery out and put another in. Then they could ship the cars without batteries for safe traveling and way less weight and simply trade them out for a recharge. Leave the uncharged one at the trade station to be recharged and used by a later arrival. Then it would take a few minutes for a full recharge instead of hours.

I think the EV idea is cool, but I'm not getting one in the forseeable future (probably in my lifetime) until things drastically change for the better.

 

[DWalt]

They should come up with an industry standard battery size and shape, and make them easy to take one battery out and put another in. Then they could ship the cars without batteries for safe traveling and way less weight and simply trade them out for a recharge. Leave the uncharged one at the trade station to be recharged and used by a later arrival. Then it would take a few minutes for a full recharge instead of hours.

I think the EV idea is cool, but I'm not getting one in the forseeable future (probably in my lifetime) until thing drastically change for the better.

What they should do and what they actually do are completely different. They can't even standardize on lead-acid batteries and oil filters after over 100 years.

 

[Yaworski]

They should come up with an industry standard battery size and shape,

There was talk of that at least twenty years ago, with one of the ideas posited being that you could pull into a service station and swap a dead battery for a charged on in a few minutes. Of course that went nowhere.

 

[taz666]

Road embedded charging would be nice.

 

[cmj8591]

They should come up with an industry standard battery size and shape, and make them easy to take one battery out and put another in. Then they could ship the cars without batteries for safe traveling and way less weight and simply trade them out for a recharge. Leave the uncharged one at the trade station to be recharged and used by a later arrival. Then it would take a few minutes for a full recharge instead of hours.

I think the EV idea is cool, but I'm not getting one in the forseeable future (probably in my lifetime) until things drastically change for the better.

The only problem with that is that now you will need at least twice as much lithium for each EV. Where does it come from? EV's are about 2% of the vehicles on the road now and it is difficult to source enough lithium for those as it is. Now you need at least twice as many batteries which requires twice as much ore mining and twice the amount of smelting to get the lithium which is twice the carbon release. It kind of defeats the purpose of the EV in the first place. Plus you have to wrangle a battery around that weighs about 1500 pounds. Someone is going to have to rewrite the laws of physics to make the lithium EV a viable replacement for the ICE. The only reason it's even getting the 2% it has now is that politicians have figured out how to mine money from it and keep throwing tax dollars at it. Once the government stops propping them up with tax money, the EV will go away.

 

[DWalt]

There was talk of that at least twenty years ago, with one of the ideas posited being that you could pull into a service station and swap a dead battery for a charged one in a few minutes. Of course that went nowhere.

But it is apparently still under consideration or at least talked about. I have recently read several articles mentioning that idea. It might be workable if there were only a small number of standardized EV batteries.

 

[Oldengineer]

Anyone out there that can speak to development of Ultracapacitors vs Batteries?

 

[glowe]

The entire passenger compartment below the floor in an EV is full of batteries. How in the heck are you going to swap out a half ton of batteries cheaply or quickly???

 

[glowe]

Anyone out there that can speak to development of Ultracapacitors vs Batteries?

Ultra & super-capacitor is often misunderstood; it is not a battery replacement to store long-term energy. If, for example, the charge and discharge times are more than 60 seconds, use a battery; if shorter, then the supercapacitor becomes economical. More detailed information is available at the following site:

BU-209: How does a Supercapacitor Work? - Battery University.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

We have all seen the picture of EV fuel - railroad cars full of coal. It is no "greener" than the moon, but there is money being made.

 

[DWalt]

The entire passenger compartment below the floor in an EV is full of batteries. How in the heck are you going to swap out a half ton of batteries cheaply or quickly???

As I mentioned earlier, improving battery efficiency must be the next new frontier. Storing more and more energy in a smaller, lighter, and cheaper battery with a longer lifespan.

 

[glowe]

Sorry to disagree, but I see no long term future in battery power. New sources of propulsion are needed before gas and diesel reigns are over.

 

[Yaworski]

We have all seen the picture of EV fuel - railroad cars full of coal. It is no "greener" than the moon, but there is money being made.

It makes far more sense to have one large power plant making energy "in bulk" than to have thousands of mobile power plants.

 

[Yaworski]

The entire passenger compartment below the floor in an EV is full of batteries. How in the heck are you going to swap out a half ton of batteries cheaply or quickly???

In the articles that I read, the proposal was a tray that could be slid out the back of the car and new one slid in. Standard size and connections would facilitate the process. I'm sure that something like a pallet jack would be used.

However, that didn't happen and probably won't for decades.

 

[Yaworski]

Sorry to disagree, but I see no long term future in battery power. New sources of propulsion are needed before gas and diesel reins are over.

 

[venomballistics]

In the articles that I read, the proposal was a tray that could be slid out the back of the car and new one slid in. Standard size and connections would facilitate the process. I'm sure that something like a pallet jack would be used.

However, that didn't happen and probably won't for decades.

no real point anyhow as you still need to charge them whether they slide out easily or not.
if "swapped out at the station" you can expect Kentucky fried battery packs everywhere as they get abused like rental cars.
While this might improve the charging issues slightly, it's certainly not solved for the required scale