Antidepressant

[johngross]

My doctor prescribed an antidepressant for me. Shiloh something-or-other. I think he said 45-70 milligrams. Sounds like a heavy dose. Could probably kill a buffalo, huh?

The problem is it's expensive and my insurance doesn't cover it. So now I'm double depressed.

Any of you use or heard of this Shiloh 45-70? Maybe there's a generic made in Mexico, Canada, or Italy?

Thanks.

Name withheld by request.

 

[Pisgah]

Pity the receiver turned all splotchy like that...

 

[Breakaway500]

Reaching out and touching things well before AT&T..

 

[Racer X]

Pity the receiver turned all splotchy like that...

some Flitz and a Dremel will clean that up.

 

[THE PILGRIM]

Just yesterday was talking to a dude at Cabela’s.
He told me that Sharps is building him a Custom Win Low Wall.
25-35 Caliber.
Another Montana company is making him a replica old style scope.
At least the outside will look old, the insides of course will be all current technology.
He’s having problems locating ammunition and components.
He Never revealed the cost, but said it cost a lot of money.
I sincerely hope everyone gets what they want.
And wants what they get.
PS I don’t recall ever wanting a 25-35.

 

[diyj98]

I'd get rid of that stupid looking sight on the tang and add a red dot sight, mount a laser/flashlight unit under the barrel, and replace that wood stuff with a quality synthetic stock with a rail and pistol grip. It might be a good idea to have the barrel cut down to a more manageable 18". It will be much easier to clear rooms when you're practicing tactical stuff.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

In 1984 I bought an Italian made 1874 Sharpe's replica in 45-70, it was imported and brand-named EMF. It was very disappointing! It took a while but in 2008 I bought a Farmington N.Y., Shiloe Sharpes 1874. Used lightly with Montana Vintage Arms Veneer 4" sights (good for about 1200-1500 yards.) The tang sight for the EMF was so bad windage adjustments loosened the sight! Accuracy was around 10" @ 100 yds. The Shiloe accuracy runs around 2 to 2.25 " at 100, but when I get to develop a load, I expect much closer to 1 inch!

I have a 2005 Winchester Low Wall in 38-55. It has Lyman 17 front Globe and a Lyman tang sight on it. With a Trail Boss load I developed for it, it put 20 in the same hole at 100 yards (from a rest!), I don't think I can improve those results! Bear Creek Moly coated 255 RNFP in .377" diameter. Normal Modern Winchester brass, which some people call short! Fed 210M primer. Normal RCBS die set.

On all these "old" cartridges, I load with a 30" drop tube, Black or Smokeless.

Ivan

 

[Heinz]

Shiloh makes nice Sharps. I have one in 45-110 and have for since the mid-eighties. I had some ignition problems with weak primer strikes because of the weird path for the firing pin in the falling block action. Sharps sent me a modified block at no charge and suggested using pistol primers. Problem solved. Mine will hold a 10-inch group at 300 yards with the plain iron sights off a solid rest. Or would when I could see better .

 

[Wyo]

Yeah, the generics are just no substitute for the real deal. I have six of ‘em in various calibers. They’re addictive.

 

[steelslaver]

I go out shooting big bore black powder with a few guys every Monday night
I have a Trapdoor Springfield in 45-70, a Pedersoli 45-70 and a C Sharps in 45-90. They are a hoot to shoot.

The trajectories are similar to big bore pistol rounds

 

[Fullmetaljacket]

The trajectories are similar to big bore pistol rounds

...with 500 grain bullets!

 

[Heinz]

The trajectories are similar to big bore pistol rounds

...with 500 grain bullets!

I use a 600-grain in the 45-110. As rolls royce would say Penetration is adequate.

 

[colt_saa]

That is a very nice anti-depressant

Earlier this year I acquired a nice used Long Range chambered in 45-70. I had wanted a 45-110, but this one just magically appeared so I grabbed it

I have not shot fresh pictures yet, but here it is

It groups very nicely at 800 yards with that 535 grain Postell bullet

 

[steelslaver]

4Dreamerrental will rent you a reamer in 45-90, 45-100, 45-110, or 45-120

Reaming a Falling block action in 45-70 to a longer chamber would be easy.

If you run the holy black there is an advantage. If you run smokeless loads there isn't much.

I run black powder. I messed around at first weighing charges, metering them etc. Now I set a case up, put a powder funnel on it and pour in 2FFg until the case is full remove the funnel, and with the case full to the top run it though an old 357 decapping die with the decapping pin end ground down so it compresses the powder to point the base of a 405 gr bullet will sit on top of the powder.

Some of the guys I shoot with use a drop tube. About a 16" 1/2" OD copper tube that is flared on the end to go on top the case. The measured powder dropping down the tube compresses it some. Some also run their bullets though a .454 sizer and then wrap them with rice paper.

I was using a mixture of hydrogen peroxide, Murphys oil soap and rubbing alcohol to clean mine. But,last time I hit some of my patches with some Eds red and it really worked well. I am thinking a small container full of patches wet with it would be the way to go.

 

[hhtom]

I picked up a 25-35 model 94 circa 1922 based on a couple of odd shells that my dad picked up at a gun show. He loved to collect odd ammunition. Brass wasn't hard to find and dies as well, love to shoot it!

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

Prescriptions worth buying.

 

[steelslaver]

I shot my first deer with a 25-35 saddle ring carbine. My one brother has it. I have dies and some brass. Bullets for a tubular magazine might be hard to come by now days.

Just checked and Hornady makes a 117gr round nose that would work

 

[Heinz]

Steelslaver. With black powder loads and wiping, consistency is the key. If you wipe with a dirty patch, always wipe with a dirty patch. If you wipe with a clean patch, always wipe with a clean patch. In cartridge guns I think wiping is useful, although I do not really have range data on that. Black sure leaves a lot of trash in the barrel and it does not get wiped down when loading like in a muzzleloader.

 

[TIMETRIPPER]

Just yesterday was talking to a dude at Cabela’s.
He told me that Sharps is building him a Custom Win Low Wall.
25-35 Caliber.
Another Montana company is making him a replica old style scope.
At least the outside will look old, the insides of course will be all current technology.
He’s having problems locating ammunition and components.
He Never revealed the cost, but said it cost a lot of money.
I sincerely hope everyone gets what they want.
And wants what they get.
PS I don’t recall ever wanting a 25-35.

25-35 may be a bit too much for a low wall action, but if they are making it for him I guess its OK.
I've been looking for a model 94 in the same but no luck as of yet. Have dies brass and bullets on hand when I do find one, Getting those was the easy part!

John

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

25-35 may be a bit too much for a low wall action, but if they are making it for him I guess its OK. John

The current Winchester and Browning 1885 actions are all made in Japan by Miroku. They handle 45-70 just fine! I know several firms are making 1885's in America, but nobody is saying where the actions are forged. I had friends order in Italian made 1885's in 45-70 but the quality was very low, "Out Of The Box" the hammer would drag on the left side of the action!

Ivan

 

[Nick B]

Love Shilohs . Had 7 at one time but now down to just one .
Shiloh and Freedom Arms are American craftsmanship at its finest .

 

[hhtom]

25-35 model 94

Steelslaver, it took a while to find mine and it hit the wallet heavy but it is in great condition and action is TIGHT

 

[hhtom]

25-35

and it fits in right along with my 1892 25-20

 

[TIMETRIPPER]

The current Winchester and Browning 1885 actions are all made in Japan by Miroku. They handle 45-70 just fine! I know several firms are making 1885's in America, but nobody is saying where the actions are forged. I had friends order in Italian made 1885's in 45-70 but the quality was very low, "Out Of The Box" the hammer would drag on the left side of the action!

Ivan

The 1885 Winchester actions include the high and low wall versions. High wall actions are very strong actions. The low wall actions were weaker as the breach block was not supported as much by the receiver. To my knowledge no original Winchester low wall action was ever chambered in 45-70 by the factory. Nor were any in the old 38-55 Ballard based based cartridges: ie 25-35, 30-30, 32-40, 32 Special or 38-55 Winchester. Perhaps the modern Miroku actions include the later but I would think they are the high wall version, not the low wall.

John

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

The 1885 Winchester actions include the high and low wall versions. High wall actions are very strong actions. The low wall actions were weaker as the breach block was not supported as much by the receiver. To my knowledge no original Winchester low wall action was ever chambered in 45-70 by the factory. Nor were any in the old 38-55 Ballard based based cartridges: ie 25-35, 30-30, 32-40, 32 Special or 38-55 Winchester. Perhaps the modern Miroku actions include the later but I would think they are the high wall version, not the low wall.

John

My 38-55 is a Low-Wall! And at least some of the B-78 & 1885 45-70's are Low Wall and were advertised as such. I think the BPCR guns were High Wall, but they have been out of production for several years. Metallurgy is a wonderful thing!

Ivan

 

[TIMETRIPPER]

My 38-55 is a Low-Wall! And at least some of the B-78 & 1885 45-70's are Low Wall and were advertised as such. I think the BPCR guns were High Wall, but they have been out of production for several years. Metallurgy is a wonderful thing!

I think we've been comparing two different time frames: the original Winchesters vs modern reproductions, regardless of maker. Yes, metallurgy has come a long way, but I'll still take the hi wall over the lo wall for full sized rifle cartridges.

My low wall .22 Long was made in 1888. My hi wall in 1891. It is the thin sided action and was re-bored at some point from 32-40 to 45-70. I have seen old hi wall rifles that were chambered in 22 Long.

A friend has an old low wall that was re-chambered to the 256 Winchester Magnum from the original 25-20 SS. Couldn't get it to shoot well so he had the barrel relined and re-chambered to 25-20 WCF. Shortly after the receiver developed a crack on the right side, along the rear of the breach block mortise.


John