gmchenry
Member
I'm so glad to hear you're doing better. Keep it up!
Any reason NOT to buy an M&P and just stick to my Glocks?
- Thread starter Hawgleg44
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I am thinking about buying one for work, since I can carry my own on duty and it saves me from going to the armory. Have to stick with 9mm and mag disconnect safety.
I can get one for $510 + tax with 3 17-round mags.
I loved it when I shot it but I am little nervous regarding rust issues that seem to be running around.
Can I expect to get a 9mm that won't rust like my old Fiat?
I can get one for $510 + tax with 3 17-round mags.
I loved it when I shot it but I am little nervous regarding rust issues that seem to be running around.
Can I expect to get a 9mm that won't rust like my old Fiat?
Glad to hear you're recovered and doing well. Keep it that way.
M&P versus Glock?
Who cares? Pick either or both.
I've handled and shot Glocks off & on since the late 80's. Experienced and observed minor malfunctions and problems requiring need for replacement parts. No big deal. That's why I became a Glock armorer, after all.
I also went through the M&P armorer class, but I never heard about about a specific problem or recommendation involving replacement of the standard trigger spring in the event of submersion. Never heard of the need to replace many of the smaller springs in the traditional pistols if they were submerged, either, as long as they were stripped and cleaned reasonably quickly.
I did have to replace some small springs in a 4006 that another agency brought me one time ... more than a year after it had been submerged in salt water (without examination or cleaning by an armorer).
The M&P trigger spring is like the one used in the Sigma in that it has a fiber insert installed to help dampen recoil vibrations, to help prevent metal fatigue and breakage caused by recoil forces (harmonics). I'd be more concerned to check to make sure the insert hadn't slipped free of the spring when it became soaked/sodden after a submersion, and then make sure it was completely dried out. (Although it would be easy enough to just replace the assembly and not worry about whether the insert was completely dried -maybe that's where the recommendation came from via the other armorer/armorer class.)
In an early Sigma armorer class I was once told that if a fiber insert were to become soaked and slip free of the trigger spring that the pistol would probably function fine for upwards of perhaps 3,000 rounds before the spring might fatigue and break. I was also told that a 'field repair' could be done using a rolled and compressed bit of material from a cigarette filter until a fiber insert could be obtained.
I only own a couple of Glocks. I really only bought them because I went through the Glock armorer class and thought I probably ought to own at least one of them.
The grip angle, dimensions and overall ergonomics aren't my personal favorite, although I adapted to them easily enough. They're a decent pistol. Good quality. Fine for their intended use. They've had, and will probably continue to have, revisions, upgrades, refinements and improvements.
I happen to think the Glock design is at its best in the 9mm model line, but that's just a personal opinion.
I bought a M&P pistol for much the same reason ... because I took the armorer class.
Ergonomics are much more akin to what I've become accustomed to over the years of owning and using 1911's. Pretty decent.
The trigger is better than the Sigma (to my thinking) ... and you've always like the Sigma anyway, haven't you?
Reliability has seemed to be very good.
Accuracy is much better than I'd expected, especially with the heavier trigger in the M&P .45 model. Surprisingly so.
The guys on the project design team did manage to come up with some arguable improvements when it comes to some of the features of the M&P.
While I won't be getting rid of my couple of Glocks ... I doubt I'll buy any more of them.
However, I might pick up another M&P pistol. If so, it will probably be a compact .40 S&W model, at which time I'll permanently retire my G27 to the back of the safe ... alongside the 4040PD I want to keep but don't feel inclined to carry.
Unless I decide I have a use for a M&P Pro-Series, sometime ... even though I have little interest in becoming involved with 'sporting' pursuits after I retire (IDPA, etc.).
Depends. Dunno.
If you're that heavily invested in the Glock platform, and it serves your needs well enough, why dabble elsewhere? Unless, of course, you're like me and sometimes decide to relent when it comes to trying this, that and the other ...
Fortunately for me, I've had no interest in spending my money on some platforms and designs. For example, while they're fine products and I've had some experience with them, I've had absolutely no interest in buying any HK's or XD's. Heck, I even turned down the opportunity to buy what I was told was an unfired Beretta 92 being sold by another agency ... for $216, I think was the quoted price. Not worth it ... to me.
I turned down the chance to buy the just-then-being-imported G20, or a G19/22/23, for an individual LE price of $311 w/3 magazines back in 1990, too. Looking back at it, the G20 might've been a decent purchase for a 10mm range gun. Oh well.
Stay well, okay?
M&P versus Glock?
Who cares? Pick either or both.
I've handled and shot Glocks off & on since the late 80's. Experienced and observed minor malfunctions and problems requiring need for replacement parts. No big deal. That's why I became a Glock armorer, after all.
I also went through the M&P armorer class, but I never heard about about a specific problem or recommendation involving replacement of the standard trigger spring in the event of submersion. Never heard of the need to replace many of the smaller springs in the traditional pistols if they were submerged, either, as long as they were stripped and cleaned reasonably quickly.
The M&P trigger spring is like the one used in the Sigma in that it has a fiber insert installed to help dampen recoil vibrations, to help prevent metal fatigue and breakage caused by recoil forces (harmonics). I'd be more concerned to check to make sure the insert hadn't slipped free of the spring when it became soaked/sodden after a submersion, and then make sure it was completely dried out. (Although it would be easy enough to just replace the assembly and not worry about whether the insert was completely dried -maybe that's where the recommendation came from via the other armorer/armorer class.)
In an early Sigma armorer class I was once told that if a fiber insert were to become soaked and slip free of the trigger spring that the pistol would probably function fine for upwards of perhaps 3,000 rounds before the spring might fatigue and break. I was also told that a 'field repair' could be done using a rolled and compressed bit of material from a cigarette filter until a fiber insert could be obtained.
I only own a couple of Glocks. I really only bought them because I went through the Glock armorer class and thought I probably ought to own at least one of them.
I happen to think the Glock design is at its best in the 9mm model line, but that's just a personal opinion.
I bought a M&P pistol for much the same reason ... because I took the armorer class.
Ergonomics are much more akin to what I've become accustomed to over the years of owning and using 1911's. Pretty decent.
The trigger is better than the Sigma (to my thinking) ... and you've always like the Sigma anyway, haven't you?
Reliability has seemed to be very good.
Accuracy is much better than I'd expected, especially with the heavier trigger in the M&P .45 model. Surprisingly so.
The guys on the project design team did manage to come up with some arguable improvements when it comes to some of the features of the M&P.
While I won't be getting rid of my couple of Glocks ... I doubt I'll buy any more of them.
However, I might pick up another M&P pistol. If so, it will probably be a compact .40 S&W model, at which time I'll permanently retire my G27 to the back of the safe ... alongside the 4040PD I want to keep but don't feel inclined to carry.
Unless I decide I have a use for a M&P Pro-Series, sometime ... even though I have little interest in becoming involved with 'sporting' pursuits after I retire (IDPA, etc.).
Depends. Dunno.
If you're that heavily invested in the Glock platform, and it serves your needs well enough, why dabble elsewhere? Unless, of course, you're like me and sometimes decide to relent when it comes to trying this, that and the other ...
Fortunately for me, I've had no interest in spending my money on some platforms and designs. For example, while they're fine products and I've had some experience with them, I've had absolutely no interest in buying any HK's or XD's. Heck, I even turned down the opportunity to buy what I was told was an unfired Beretta 92 being sold by another agency ... for $216, I think was the quoted price. Not worth it ... to me.
I turned down the chance to buy the just-then-being-imported G20, or a G19/22/23, for an individual LE price of $311 w/3 magazines back in 1990, too. Looking back at it, the G20 might've been a decent purchase for a 10mm range gun. Oh well.
Stay well, okay?
armybass
US Veteran
I had a 9c that started to rust on the slide after two weeks. Check please, uh no thanks.
Fastbolt- I agree with a lot of what you say. I, like you do, can adapt to anything put in my hands, but I just find some designs fit me better than others. I've qualified with a lot of different pistols and revolvers from S&W, Beretta, Colt, Springfield Armory, Ruger, Glock, etc, and I have to admit to shooting a 98% one time. All the rest were 100%.
That said, I do find Glocks the easiest to shoot. As much as I really didn't like the grip angle originally, now I find that it really locks my arms in when shooting. Natural? No, but it's grown to be natural now.
I guess I'll just stick to the Glocks.
I've heard the opinion of the Glock being at its best in 9mm before from another person that I respect a lot, Bruce Gray. In fact, we have him flying out in May for another class, tactical pistol and carbine this time.
That said, I do find Glocks the easiest to shoot. As much as I really didn't like the grip angle originally, now I find that it really locks my arms in when shooting. Natural? No, but it's grown to be natural now.
I guess I'll just stick to the Glocks.
I've heard the opinion of the Glock being at its best in 9mm before from another person that I respect a lot, Bruce Gray. In fact, we have him flying out in May for another class, tactical pistol and carbine this time.
clarkstoncz
Member
Having owned and shot most every Glock model available in the states.
I've swtiched onto M&Ps in the last month or so.
The ergos on the M&P and trigger pull on my gun put it light years ahead of the blocky Glock!
I've swtiched onto M&Ps in the last month or so.
The ergos on the M&P and trigger pull on my gun put it light years ahead of the blocky Glock!
magnum12pm
Member
Maybe its just me, but the glock has to be one of the worst looking pistols of modern times, its more expensive than the M&Ps. I just hate the thought of buying a gun not made in America, I guess I just don't support the global economy ideal.
How do we settle this rust phenomenon, so people like myself, who are one the fence about buying one, are properly informed and not swayed by hearsay?
I have my Glock 26. It is not what I would call a perfect fit but it works. The M&P just fits me better and is what my dept switched to. It is also the only way I can carry two guns.
I have my Glock 26. It is not what I would call a perfect fit but it works. The M&P just fits me better and is what my dept switched to. It is also the only way I can carry two guns.
To tell the truth, I had a Glock 27 and I sold it to fund a 40c. The 27 was just too bulky of a grip for my hand. What changed my mind? When I tried to fast draw out of my IWB holster and dropped it because I couldn't get a well enough grip on it.
Not cool. (I was practicing and it was empty.) The 40c with it's adjustable grip sold me. I can hold it just fine, and I don't have to worry about Barney Fyffeing the gun. I love it so much I bought the full size as well. Plus, the old "Made in the USA" label helped too. Too much globalism for me as well.
If buying an M&P is the only way you can carry a backup, BUY AN M&P! Having a backup you need to wipe down after every shift to prevent rust is better than not carrying one at all! I never went on duty with less than 2 handguns on me, along with the shotgun in the rack and the AR in the trunk.
Spray some Rem Oil on it. That stuff keeps rust off pretty good. I had an old Rossi revolver I kept in my jeep down in the shop that I never used. I just left it in there as a "just in case" gun. I sprayed it down with Rem Oil and left it. Even with all of the southern humidity it never had any surface rust pop up. And I kept it stored in an old leather holster. Not to say it's a cure all but it helps.
ppd1107
Member
The only reason I could think of is parts specificaly the avaiablity of parts
Have not experienced rusting problems on my M&P .40 full size. Took a tip from a friend of mine and sprayed Amsoil MP on my M&P and evrything else I own...not even a hint of a rust problem. Might work for you and all forum members as well.
Randy
Randy
smousefam5
Member
NOPE...no reason at all...
Being a CO, there is unfortunately, no such thing as a backup gun.
I am very enamored by the feel of the M&P and how easy it is to shoot. It's the same feeling I get from my Sig.
I think I am convinced. Thanks for the reassurance. Just sucks that is has to have the mag disconnect safety, but such is life.
I am very enamored by the feel of the M&P and how easy it is to shoot. It's the same feeling I get from my Sig.
I think I am convinced. Thanks for the reassurance. Just sucks that is has to have the mag disconnect safety, but such is life.
Matt Murphy
Member
No reason not to buy one. They're the best new gun out there right now. The grip feels way better than any Glock, in my opinion, and the natural point of aim can't be beat. Glocks may have alot of gadgets to play with but, my M&P has a great holster and there's magazine holders so who needs more. Let me guess, all the extra gadgets for Glocks are "Tactical". Just messin' with ya.
