None. Especially if you leave your magazines loaded . . .
Any tips for using the 25-rd mags to prevent jams?
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None. Especially if you leave your magazines loaded . . .
sigmundsour
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Magazines are always at the ready. I thought someone had come with a new special application magazine lube for us to spend our money on...maybe
Rob1
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Makes me smile to see people asking for a fix to a non existent problem.
Why would you need to "lube" a self lubricating magazine ?
Which is generally what a wire sprung magazine is.
A good idea, oil a spring that needs no oil, especially when there is a full length open window to allow all the crud in the world in to the Mag to then STICK to the spring!!
Good drills. Brilliant idea. Oh, wait guys, my mags keep misfeeding, any ideas as to why????
Love to ALL
Keep them mags clean AND dry.
Rob
Why would you need to "lube" a self lubricating magazine ?
Which is generally what a wire sprung magazine is.
A good idea, oil a spring that needs no oil, especially when there is a full length open window to allow all the crud in the world in to the Mag to then STICK to the spring!!
Good drills. Brilliant idea. Oh, wait guys, my mags keep misfeeding, any ideas as to why????
Love to ALL
Keep them mags clean AND dry.
Rob
sigmundsour
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First I ever heard of it http://smith-wessonforum.com/139931113-post6.html Seems I'm the only one to want an explanation or expoundation? Could be some kind of teflon miracle solution to a problem we didn't know we had.
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I have lightly lubed magazines (1911s and ARs) after removal of springs and a thorough cleaning with brake cleaner, etc, however, I spent even more time wiping their interior with a rag after a very light oiling (spring also) so that only a barely discernible film remained. This is a rare occurrence for me and has only taken place in coastal environments (salt water, air, etc). Other than that, they've always functioned fine dry and only blown out (canned air) and wiped down on the exterior once in a while. Same "lube job" with polymer magazines. In a non-sand / fine grit environment I don't see a very light lubing being detrimental to overall magazine / weapon function though I see little to no benefit.
With all that said I run firearms wet historically. Not stupid, dripping wet but what people would consider wet. No doubt successive top rounds in magazines have likely gotten a little damp but I've never experienced a feed problem or misfire due to that. Combat weapons go through absolute hell from dryer than dry to big squirts of lube being applied (poured) to the bolts. Regarding the little .22lr rifles, mine (10/22 and 15-22) have done well run a little wet. My .22lr magazines have never been lubed, cleaned, nothing. The 10/22 has been cleaned twice now in the past year or so. Bought it new in the late 80s and it literally has thousands upon thousands of rounds through it. I recall one misfire and one failure to feed. Parts still appear top notch, accuracy hasn't dropped, blah, blah, blah.
For the most part, the average Joe firearm is tough as nails and will usually give you a hint or two if it needs cleaning. That's my experience though, less the Ruger, I'm borderline ocd when it comes to cleaning firearms. It was drilled into me in boot camp decades ago and it kind of stuck with me. I no longer "Drop and give me 50!". I just clean my weapons very well.
With all that said I run firearms wet historically. Not stupid, dripping wet but what people would consider wet. No doubt successive top rounds in magazines have likely gotten a little damp but I've never experienced a feed problem or misfire due to that. Combat weapons go through absolute hell from dryer than dry to big squirts of lube being applied (poured) to the bolts. Regarding the little .22lr rifles, mine (10/22 and 15-22) have done well run a little wet. My .22lr magazines have never been lubed, cleaned, nothing. The 10/22 has been cleaned twice now in the past year or so. Bought it new in the late 80s and it literally has thousands upon thousands of rounds through it. I recall one misfire and one failure to feed. Parts still appear top notch, accuracy hasn't dropped, blah, blah, blah.
For the most part, the average Joe firearm is tough as nails and will usually give you a hint or two if it needs cleaning. That's my experience though, less the Ruger, I'm borderline ocd when it comes to cleaning firearms. It was drilled into me in boot camp decades ago and it kind of stuck with me. I no longer "Drop and give me 50!". I just clean my weapons very well.
I have 6 and they run flawlessly; dry. Reckon people really do pull the helper down and just start dumping rounds in? Surely not.
I had an issue with some new mags with the rounds hanging and not coming up. I took the mags apart cleaned and reassembled problem went away. I don't know what but there was some type of residue in the new mags that caused problems. As stated in post 12 the Mcfadden Lightnin Loader is all you need to properly load 15-22 mags. I shoot steel challenge and load all my 15-22 mags with the lightnin loader with no problems. The only down side to the loader is the amount of ammo you shoot because it only takes about ten seconds to re load a 25 rd mag.
The McFadden works well though I never use it anymore. Grandson likes using it is the only reason it doesn't collect dust.
one eye joe
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WELCOME TO THE FORUM, Pilgrim...(AND NO, I'M NOT JOHN WAYNE).....
I WOULD LOAD THE MAGS A FEW ROUNDS SHY OF FULL---22 OR 23 ROUNDS SHOULD DO IT.....
GRASP THE MAG AT THE CLOSED END, WITH THE BULLETS FACING IN TOWARD THE PALM OF THAT HAND......
NOW SWING THE MAG IN AN ARC, STRIKING THE PRIMER SIDE OF THE MAG SHARPLY INTO THE PALM OF YOUR OTHER HAND. THAT WILL FORCE THE ROUNDS FULLY REARWARD IN THE MAG.....
TRY THAT OUT, AND GIVE US A REPORT.....
the hangman
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I just kinda dump the rounds in myself. . . Like several other people have said, I do pull the assist button down a little just to take the pressure off the rounds - and then I just drop them in one by one - I don't try to stagger them or anything - but they mostly do stagger by themselves. I load the full 25 rounds. I have nine of the 25 round magazines and eight of the 10 rounders - I rarely have any misfeeds and I run all different types of ammo. CCI, Remington, Federal, etc. My rifle runs anything. The only suggestion I may have for the original poster is you might try holding the magazine on a different angle when you load the magazine - it just might affect how the rounds nestle themselves. I assume you have already tried cleaning the rifle and the magazines.
Listen to this guy! That loader is awesome and lightnin' quick.
I had the same issue as you and it was caused by me loading the mags incorrectly. I wasn't staggering the bullets.
mr-mom
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Don't feel bad, I needed to learn this one the hard way too. I'm 98% a revolver guy, and the few .22 auto loaders I do have never offered up hint of a problem when I've loaded them by holding the magazine assist down and dropping the bullets in. Did the same thing with the 15-22 and had a miserable first couple of range sessions. Went back, read the manual, and the problem has never been an issue since. Also bought the McFadden loader and the daughters and grandkids absolutely love it. Only problem I have now is ammo supply. I've run most any kind of ammo I can get my hands on, including thousand and thousands of Remington Goldens and Federal AutoMatch without an issue. Sure am glad I convinced myself to get one "o dem ar-kinda guns". This is such a sweet little gun to shoot that I've decided to purchase one for each grandkid.
Be safe and have fun,
Dave
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Be safe and have fun,
Dave
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Yep!! What he said.
VaTom
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Just pull down the follower enough so there is just enough room for the round. Let go so the round hits the feed lips. Then pull down again and slip in another round. Rinse and repeat until full.
I have been using my 25 rounds magazines for 5 years and thousands and thousands of rounds of every brand and I have never had any rounds jam in the magazine. In fact I have only had maybe 10 malfunctions of any kind in my rifle.
The reason you have to stagger the rounds is because of the rim of the cartridge does not allow them to stack on top of each other well. If the rim is on top of the rim, it causes the tip of the bullet to tilt down. With the rounds tilted downward they don't feed up to the lips in proper alignment.
The more rounds you put directly on top of each other magnifies the tilt. This is probably why you don't have the problem with the ten round magazines. (you should stagger the rounds in them too).
Let us know how your range trip goes.
Good luck and good shooting.
Take your time and load magazines per manual. If you follow the instructions above the rounds will automatically stagger.Would
VaTom
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Just pull down the follower enough so there is just enough room for the round. Let go so the round hits the feed lips. Then pull down again and slip in another round. Rinse and repeat until full.
I have been using my 25 rounds magazines for 5 years and thousands and thousands of rounds of every brand and I have never had any rounds jam in the magazine. In fact I have only had maybe 10 malfunctions of any kind in my rifle.
The reason you have to stagger the rounds is because of the rim of the cartridge does not allow them to stack on top of each other well. If the rim is on top of the rim, it causes the tip of the bullet to tilt down. With the rounds tilted downward they don't feed up to the lips in proper alignment.
The more rounds you put directly on top of each other magnifies the tilt. This is probably why you don't have the problem with the ten round magazines. (you should stagger the rounds in them too).
Let us know how your range trip goes.
Good luck and good shooting.
Take your time and load magazines per manual. If you follow the instructions above the rounds will automatically stagger. Never a problem with mine and have had for five years. Buy some extra mags and preload before going to range and you won't need to rush reloading.
I've never had trouble w/the 25 rd mags, I run 10 of them for steel shoots. I also would not oil them,but when I do clean them I take them apart and wash w/soapy water then blow them out and spray them down w/Armorall. Don't know if that helps but it never hurt.
