Anybody here set up their own NFA trust?

[M&Pduck]

I’ve decided that I want to get a 22 suppressor for use on my 15-22 and 22 Compact.

Did some poking around and found an online company (named Do it Yourself Documents) that sells DIY NFA trust kits. I live in Washington and they have brick & mortar offices in the state so I’m sure they are familiar with what is required to properly establish a valid NFA trust in Washington.

Just curious if anyone here has gone the DIY trust route.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

No, but as an attorney, I look forward to the fees that my Washington colleagues will earn to fix the DIY project.

 

[BigBoy99]

The NFA Trust route is used by people who live in places where the local Law Enforcement Official (LEO) will not sign the BATF forms for the transfer of an NFA item. I wouldn't go through the hassle and paperwork of setting up the trust if I didn't have to. If you can get your local LEO to sign the forms, why go the trust route? Also, since so many trusts have been established, the BATF is now taking a long and hard look at them and I'll bet more rules and regulations over them will be shortly coming down the pike.

 

[Hapworth]

The NFA Trust route is used by people who live in places where the local Law Enforcement Official (LEO) will not sign the BATF forms for the transfer of an NFA item. I wouldn't go through the hassle and paperwork of setting up the trust if I didn't have to. If you can get your local LEO to sign the forms, why go the trust route?...

The ability to designate family members, significant others, etc. as part of the trust so you don't have to keep the NFA items under lock-and-key at all times if you share a home, and the ability to will the NFA item rather than risk it going into a legal quagmire and possibly destroyed by BATF when you pass, just to name a couple.

 

[bgrafsr]

I set up a trust for my 2nd .22 suppressor, even though the Chief of my former Dept. has no qualms about signing the paperwork for NFA items. Saves the hassle of having to be fingerprinted too.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

Take a look at silencershop.com. They have a wide selection of rimfire cans and are excellent to do business with. They have lists of lawyers for NFA trusts as well as DIY trusts.

 

[ChattanoogaPhil]

The NFA Trust route is used by people who live in places where the local Law Enforcement Official (LEO) will not sign the BATF forms for the transfer of an NFA item. I wouldn't go through the hassle and paperwork of setting up the trust if I didn't have to. If you can get your local LEO to sign the forms, why go the trust route? Also, since so many trusts have been established, the BATF is now taking a long and hard look at them and I'll bet more rules and regulations over them will be shortly coming down the pike.

A trust allows those in the trust to have possession of the can. A Tax Stamp with just your name on it does not. For example, if your son wants to borrow the can and go shooting he legally cannot.

Without a trust, upon your demise a tax stamp and fees will be required once again for the new owner. With a trust there is no issue for the new owner because your son was already the owner.

There may or may not be changes. Perhaps a future change might mean getting NFA items in a trust now was smart idea. Without Madam Zelda the fortune teller, I don't see any reason for someone to not untilize a trust if they find the law advantageous to them just because something may or may not change in the unknown future.

 

[TXSWFAN]

The NFA Trust route is used by people who live in places where the local Law Enforcement Official (LEO) will not sign the BATF forms for the transfer of an NFA item. I wouldn't go through the hassle and paperwork of setting up the trust if I didn't have to. If you can get your local LEO to sign the forms, why go the trust route? Also, since so many trusts have been established, the BATF is now taking a long and hard look at them and I'll bet more rules and regulations over them will be shortly coming down the pike.

Our sheriff is a scumbag (for many reasons) and won't sign. Says he doesn't want any Title II item used against his deputies. Of course he can't site when a legally owned Class 3 was ever used against a LEO in the US, except by another LEO (Dorner).

I use a trust so he never knows what I have, plus I don't need fingerprint cards or photos. Doesn't take as long to get approved, in addition to all the other reasons listed.

 

[R. G. Amos]

I paid a local attorney about $200 to prepare an NFA Trust for me. The shop at which I purchased the NFA item actually recommended the attorney and handled all contact with the attorney. I only provided the shop with my name and address as well as that of the Trust beneficiary. The Trust the attorney prepared for me is a simple revocable living trust. I paid the attorney to prepare the Trust primarily because he had prepared similar trusts previously and these trusts were approved by the ATF. Remember that the ATF must approve the Trust.

I realize there are some benefits to having a Trust own an NFA item, but for me, I would have preferred to have bought the item directly without the Trust. However, I could not get a signature
of an CEO or judge and had no alternative.

I would not purchase a kit and try to develop the Trust myself. I would ask the dealer to recommend a local attorney who has prepared similar Trusts. It would be very frustrating to submit the Forms and Trust to the ATF and after several months have the ATF reject the Trust.

 

[M&Pduck]

Thought I would come back and update this thread I started.

Talked to my shooting buddy who already has a trust and a couple of cans. He informed me that any good seller should do it as part of the purchase.

Although I'm a cheap mofo and usually buy stuff on-line I decided to buy a suppressor locally so that I knew I was working with someone who was familiar with properly establishing NFA trusts in my state. After searching around on The Internet I found a reasonably local guy who runs a suppressor business with many good things said about him on numerous forums.

Called him for pricing and though not the lowest his prices seemed reasonable compared to what I'd seen on-line. I inquired and his prices do include establishing the NFA trust.

After reading reviews and watching a bunch of YouTubes, I ended up deciding to buy a Spectre II for use on my 22 Compact and 15-22. The price was $375 plus state sales tax.

Purchased on 8/27 and my check to the ATF cleared on 9/9. I'm guessing my stamp will show up sometime mid-January.

 

[zeke]

Our new indoor range had a basic trust for our State setup by lawyer for $200. Also sells the suppressors. Our County's Sheriff refuses to sign off on NFA items, and in small towns there are no secrets so wouldn't want him knowing anyway. Keep my banking/lawyering and doctoring out of the local grist mills.

A trust can also have other benefits for firearms, especially in facilitating the physical transfer of firearms/items after death. In addition to beneficiaries, other trustees can be named. If you trust them enough.

 

[Faulkner]

Thought I would come back and update this thread I started.

Talked to my shooting buddy who already has a trust and a couple of cans. He informed me that any good seller should do it as part of the purchase.

Although I'm a cheap mofo and usually buy stuff on-line I decided to buy a suppressor locally so that I knew I was working with someone who was familiar with properly establishing NFA trusts in my state. After searching around on The Internet I found a reasonably local guy who runs a suppressor business with many good things said about him on numerous forums.

Called him for pricing and though not the lowest his prices seemed reasonable compared to what I'd seen on-line. I inquired and his prices do include establishing the NFA trust.

After reading reviews and watching a bunch of YouTubes, I ended up deciding to buy a Spectre II for use on my 22 Compact and 15-22. The price was $375 plus state sales tax.

Purchased on 8/27 and my check to the ATF cleared on 9/9. I'm guessing my stamp will show up sometime mid-January.

Well done, a trust is absolutely the best way to go for the reasons that several have already noted in this thread. I have two suppressors, and even though the sheriff is one of my best friends and would have readily signed off on it, the benefits of the trust were such that it was well worth going that route.

Hope you enjoy your suppressed M&P 15-22 as much as I do mine.

 

[wrhk33]

When an NFA item is not in a trust and you die the item will transfer tax free to the person it was left to. I'm most likely going to get a trust set up but I have no worries of any that are not in a trust.