Anyone else see Ruger's new ammunition line?

[CTG_COLLECTOR]

Isn't that "Colt" ammo made in Russia?

The new COLT DEFENDER SCHP ammo is supposedly going to be or is made in the U.S.

 

[CTG_COLLECTOR]

Looks a lot like Lehigh Defense

Which has a good rep for penetration and expenssion

Penetration yes (read: Excessive penetration). Expansion, no. It's a solid bullet, not a HP.

 

[CoMF]

Penetration yes (read: Excessive penetration). Expansion, no. It's a solid bullet, not a HP.

I think he meant "expense-sion." As in, increased terminal effectiveness against your wallet.

 

[V0OBWxZS16]

It's not new and it doesn't work.
The Devel small arms bullet was filed with the USPTO in February 1991.
"We did test the Devel--nothing special or magical." Dr. Roberts

I attempted to estimate the rotational energy of the bullets and came up with less than 0.5 foot-pounds for their .380, 9, .40 and .45. I'm not sure I did it correctly though. If I did then the rotational energy is negligible relative to the kinetic energy.

 

[Ramikrav]

Ruger® Ammunition

The projectile is also light for caliber. As in, way below what you'd find in "normal light".

74gr 9x19 ?

56gr .380acp ?

107gr. .40s&w ?

118gr. .45acp !!!!!???? -BLASPHEMY- (hehe lol)

Pass.

ETA- you want, no you NEED, mass and sectional density. Now, you can go light, but there's a limit. This is because lighter bullets tend to deflect off bone in terminal ballistics, to not track straight, etc.

I'm guessing bullets THIS light for caliber would have trouble tracking straight even in bare gel.

These weights are just way beyond TOO light, IMHO.

Also, all that whizz bang velocity gained by decreasing weight and the numbers on paper ain't nothing but a straight gimmick- all that velocity and energy will bleed off much faster resulting in less momentum retained at range and in terminal events.

This is because you need mass to maintain momentum.

Again- these bullets are just way, way, WAY too light.(IMHO).

Goofy looking toilet screw bullets that look good on paper and in glossy adds.

Again.

Pass.

IMHO- you'd be better off with FMJ in standard weight config per caliber then this junk. Better yet, stick to proven HP designs that expand and penetrate properly for defensive purposes, and skip all the silly.

Whatever is going on in the ammo industry to provoke a company like Ruger to market this sort of snake oil as defensive ammo should just stop.

Its bordering on negligent.

 

[V0OBWxZS16]

I'm guessing bullets THIS light for caliber would have trouble tracking straight even in bare gel.

You're correct. Polycase's own Youtube channel shows exactly that.

Whatever is going on in the ammo industry to provoke a company like Ruger to market this sort of snake oil as defensive ammo should just stop.

Seems more like a problem at Ruger to me.

Its bordering on negligent.

Bordering?

 

[Ramikrav]

There seems to be far too many of these sorts of gimmick loads out there these days. and while I draw the line at calling ammo intentionally designed to reduce penetration for specialty circumstances and for training like frangible ammo used in shoot houses or whatever, "gimmiky", there are certainly some real "winners" out there.

The RIP ammo with the "trochars" or whatever (you seen that stuff?) is my favorite one to mock. The entire -knowledgeable- shooting community knows that for the most part, what you want is a projectile that retains its mass in order to ensure adequate straight line penetration in defensive handgunnery. This is because adequate penetration to reach vitals is the second rule, after shot placement.

Everyone who's ever read anything written by actual experts knows this.
You don't even have to be an expert. You just have to READ.

But just to separate fools from their money in a NEGLIGENT fashion, someone has to go market stuff that directly sheds projectile weight intentionally, with outlandish claims of the silly things increased lethality.

Talk about ridiculous.

And then there is this stuff.

If shot placement is numero uno regarding defensive handgunnery, and penetration is secondary only to that, SABOTAGING straight line penetration is effectively going to sabotage shot placement. UNDERCUTTING depth of penetration and/or straight line penetration with super ultra light for caliber projectiles is BS.

It would be one thing if this was being marketed as some sort of range or training ammo, but its being specifically marketed as defensive ammo.

AND THEN we have the issues of feed reliability. All those crazy angles increase the chances of a hang up in any part of the feed cycle of a semiautomatic.

I'd rather load up with ball.


Ruger should be ashamed.

 

[cmj8591]

I've watched a few videos on this new concept, they seem to have had some "help" in their interpretation of the results. As far as I've seen, they make a great deal about a permanent tear cavity in the shallower end of the gel blocks, but this phenomena can be seen in other bullets, and how it transfers to the real world, in terms of real effect, or if it occurs within actual flesh shot, is in question. It may not increase effectiveness at all, and may be something they are purposely making the molehill into a mountain about.

I'll reserve judgement, like I always do, until more data comes in. However, I'm leaning towards the camp of "how is this better/cheaper than traditional full point bullets" crowd, as of now.

I think you're going to have a long wait for real world results with this stuff. Anyone operating in the "real world" who depends on a hand gun for protection and has half a clue is going to see right through this nonsense.

 

[martybee]

I just finished reading the article in the Dec. issue of Guns & Ammo that pertains to the Polycase ARX Injection Molded bullets,
secured in a polymer case and soon to be available for marketing. They seem to think this round will be reliable in most pistols
and comparable to the terminal ballistics of most 9mm ammunition!
Plastic Guns....So why not Plastic Ammunition?

mb

 

[V0OBWxZS16]

American Rifleman gave it a good review in the latest issue too.

Polymer cases with a metal base, like a shotgun shell, have been done before. A buddy had some Natec 5.56mm and it wasn't that great. I'd like to see it work this time, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[CH4]

The old saying comes to mind, "A fool and his money are soon parted."

I always wanted to know how the fool got his money in the first place.

 

[chaparrito]

Snake Oil. "a sucker born every minute"

 

[Horn]

Looks a lot like Lehigh Defense

Which has a good rep for penetration and expenssion

The Lehigh shown doesn't expand. But some reviews speak well of its penetration___ in that cloth and jell. I'd like to see some street shots.
Their 380 with this bullet had near 9mm penetration. Again, real people aren't made out of jell but unless someone can afford hunks of beef? (Bone in)
Stay Safe

 

[chud333]

If they package it in a slick box with neat graphics
and give it either a "tactical", or "Zombie" name
there are people that will buy it.
I'll stick with my Fed. Hydro shocks.

Chuck

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

Thank. But I'll stick with my Hydrashoks or Golddots.

 

[Vulcan Bob]

Ok, I try not to be a gun or ammo snob but this I just cannot resist. Looks like Mall Ninja or Gun Shop Commando fodder to me.