I have to agree with BMCM regarding the barrel cam surfaces in S&W's metal receiver pistols. Those made in carbon or stainless hold up perfectly, but the barrel will batter those surfaces on aluminum receivers.
Anyone else want a new DA/SA 45?
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Cleandean
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A SIG P227 carry … should be in that group. Very similar to P220 albeit it has a little thicker grip. 10 rounds.
A 3.9 in. Bbl. Puts the P227 in the same family as the shorter P229 ; seeming to be the allaround favorite for SIG fans.
I nominate 18DAI for "Smith and Wesson Vice President of Design and Marketing." I'll help pay the moving expenses to Tennessee if they hire you. What you proposed sounds great. I'll take three. A 9mm, .45 ACP, and a .357 Sig. Thanks. A DAO option with spurless hammer would be nice too.
Since the current company known as s&w has finally decided to make a new hammer fired, metal framed pistol - and contrary to what one or two trolls have repearedly told us here, it does NOT cost $1K- does anyone else want a DA/SA 45?
Maybe a new, redesigned CS45. Thin, like the shield 45. With a 7 round mag. Armornight finish. Thin Xenoy plastic grips with rounded mag baseplate. A decent trigger without the stupid dingus on the face. An optional safety. Frame mounted decocker. Commander style hammer with a beavertail just big enough to prevent hammer bite. Aluminum framed. And Novak night sights of course.
I don't want a rail and don't care about it being cut for optics or not. And capacity is not a concern, to me.
Yea, I would buy one like that. How about you? Regards 18DAI
Jeppo
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Maybe they could license the CZ PCR design? 
Gone through a lot of .45s over four Decades........
1911's in the 80s were great guns but I moved away from the C&L for civilian concealed carry
S&W 4516,4513, 4505 and 4566 in the late 80s..... today still have the 4566 best of the breed and gets more "range time" than my.......
Sig 220 and 245 which get carried more than they get shot due to their lighter weight and decocker.
The CSX and Sig and CZ have all shown that metal frame guns still have a market and new designs can be built and sold for less than $700.
I think improved CS's would sell.............. I like the CS 45 18DAI described..... I like my Sig 245 but a thinner grip would be welcome.
Sorry don't think you could improve on the 39xx guns.... maybe decocker only!
1911's in the 80s were great guns but I moved away from the C&L for civilian concealed carry
S&W 4516,4513, 4505 and 4566 in the late 80s..... today still have the 4566 best of the breed and gets more "range time" than my.......
Sig 220 and 245 which get carried more than they get shot due to their lighter weight and decocker.
The CSX and Sig and CZ have all shown that metal frame guns still have a market and new designs can be built and sold for less than $700.
I think improved CS's would sell.............. I like the CS 45 18DAI described..... I like my Sig 245 but a thinner grip would be welcome.
Sorry don't think you could improve on the 39xx guns.... maybe decocker only!
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Shutthefrontdoor
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This is going to sound odd, but I'm just getting into the glory that is the .45 round along with the S&W SS guns I feed them with. In the past six months I've accumulated a 4506-1, 4516, Shorty 45, 745, 845, and a 945-1. It has become clear to me that I not only love the .45 round, but all the above historical firearms made by S&W altogether!
Would I want S&W to produce a new model in .45? Just make it worthy; pay homage to the past; learn from it; acknowledge that quality takes wisdom, risk taking, investment and courage. Base the business case off of selling "X" over a five year run and amortization. Go in with the consideration/possibility that it might be a "Halo" to generate interest in other S&W products...
Obviously, it doesn't seem to be the best political climate to seek financing for such an endeavor, even so: history has rewarded venture risk takers when they nail something (and punished those who've miscalculated). Sometimes it's just bad timing.
BUT!
It would seem that somewhere someone in the C-Suite saw the opportunity with the CSX, and in my past experience in manufacturing - you don't make huge capital investments in product line like the CSX as just a "single line" product offering without plans to further (cross) utilize tooling for other products. Without going too deep into it, a cross utilized tool vs. single line tool is just good business...
Having blabbed on about that, let's think for a moment about the CSX and what it would take to feed it .45...
I would be really disappointed if this wasn't planned out this way from the beginning of the "authorization to proceed" with development of the CSX.
Would I want S&W to produce a new model in .45? Just make it worthy; pay homage to the past; learn from it; acknowledge that quality takes wisdom, risk taking, investment and courage. Base the business case off of selling "X" over a five year run and amortization. Go in with the consideration/possibility that it might be a "Halo" to generate interest in other S&W products...
Obviously, it doesn't seem to be the best political climate to seek financing for such an endeavor, even so: history has rewarded venture risk takers when they nail something (and punished those who've miscalculated). Sometimes it's just bad timing.
BUT!
It would seem that somewhere someone in the C-Suite saw the opportunity with the CSX, and in my past experience in manufacturing - you don't make huge capital investments in product line like the CSX as just a "single line" product offering without plans to further (cross) utilize tooling for other products. Without going too deep into it, a cross utilized tool vs. single line tool is just good business...
Having blabbed on about that, let's think for a moment about the CSX and what it would take to feed it .45...
I would be really disappointed if this wasn't planned out this way from the beginning of the "authorization to proceed" with development of the CSX.
It's never too late really. We've all seen necro posts brought back to life and this is not one of them.
Yes I would really like a new S&W DA/SA .45. A non-railed 4566TSW is what I want.
Unless quality control turns around at S&W I'll stick with what was about perfect. I'm spoiled and lucky to have some PC, (the original/real PC,) and TSW .45 acp's. I'm slow to change. Heck it wasn't that long ago when I thought the only decent S&W was a revolver.
Jim
I know I'm really intrigued about that
CZ 97BD . From the reviews I've seen it's an extreme flat shooter with very low recoil.
NCBeagle, thanks for the kind words, but they would never hire me. I'm a gun guy, not a plumber or lawn mower designer.
A quick perusal of their online offerings, suggests thats all they ARE hiring.
Regards 18DAI
A quick perusal of their online offerings, suggests thats all they ARE hiring.
Regards 18DAI
pantannojack
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On the rotational side of logic, I want only a 44 Special in a big bore revolver. I have suffered enough from the .452 chambers with .454 barrels to select another 45 colt in either single or double action revolver. I'm sorry, if I did stumble onto a auto only thread?
kbm6893
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I just wish they'd fully support the 3rd Gen guns again. And I still think a reintroduction of the CS9 would sell big. It's gotta be cheaper to start up the CS9 series then it was to design a whole new one.
kbm6893
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Personally, I think the CSX is going to eventually flop. The Springfield XDE generated some interest when it first came out, but they just announced it is being discontinued. I remember looking far and wide for them when they first came out. I just think the cocked and locked community is too small to sustain it. Those who are interested will seek them out and buy one to satisfy their urge and then that's it. I don't know anyone who owns or carries a Sig 938.
If it was DA/SA I would immediately have it. I would immediately sell my Shield Plus and Ruger LC9-S. Only reason I own them is they are lighter and smaller than any comparable hammer fired gun, other than the CSX. But even though I own a 1911, it's a range toy and I wouldn't carry a cocked and locked weapon.
18DAI, the weapon you describe sounds perfect. I'd buy one in .45, but I'd prefer one in 9MM.
If it was DA/SA I would immediately have it. I would immediately sell my Shield Plus and Ruger LC9-S. Only reason I own them is they are lighter and smaller than any comparable hammer fired gun, other than the CSX. But even though I own a 1911, it's a range toy and I wouldn't carry a cocked and locked weapon.
18DAI, the weapon you describe sounds perfect. I'd buy one in .45, but I'd prefer one in 9MM.
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kbm6893 if I could just overcome my subconscious aversion to 9mm as a primary EDC, I would just carry the 3913NL my friend M29since14 sold me and call it good.
It does everything I want and need......just not in 45. Regards 18DAI
It does everything I want and need......just not in 45.
Regards 18DAIkbm6893
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kbm6893 if I could just overcome my subconscious aversion to 9mm as a primary EDC, I would just carry the 3913NL my friend M29since14 sold me and call it good.
It does everything I want and need......just not in 45.
Yeah. I have two 3953's now. A standard 8 round and the 7 round TSW. I love them but for me every ounce matters in weight and the CSX is lighter than the Shield.
Coyote56
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kbm6893
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I'm not sure about that. But either way, it's not a gun that fills the role the CSX does. I love my 4566 but it's a range toy only. Too big to carry practically when other lighter and smaller guns fit the bill.
I bought a XDE when they first came out. I'd read a good review that compared it favorably to the 3913. Plus a large volume LGS was running a special on it.
I kept it a few years, but sold it because the geometry of the trigger caused a blister on my trigger finger.
It was a nice try, but definitely not as good as a 3913.
I kept it a few years, but sold it because the geometry of the trigger caused a blister on my trigger finger.
It was a nice try, but definitely not as good as a 3913.
There have been a lot of mentions of the Sig P220 in this thread. I have one and really like it, and Sig clearly has a business case for continuing to produce them and the other P22x pistols (though many variants have been discontinued in recent years), which makes me question why we never got a 4th Gen S&W metal framed semiautomatic. An upgraded S&W pistol with better ergonomics and an integral rail like the CHP and WVSP pistols would certainly be able to compete with the P22xs of the world. But maybe there was more money in selling M&Ps (and I really like the M&P as well, don't get me wrong.)
I've no use for the m&p series. I have no interest in rebuilding one with Apex parts to give it everything the factory couldn't be bothered to.
My lovely wife, who knows zero about guns, bought me a piece of sheild 45 (my dealer has a sense of humor). The trigger sucks. It is accurate enough and to date reliable. But it only gets carried on duty. Because I am in a non permissve environment and its the thinnest, lightest 45 available to me.
I do not carry it at my part-time off duty job. I have much nicer compact 45s for those purposes. My 457 is a much better pistol. And with its TercGen curved backstrap grips, fits my hand as if it was made for me. And I like my CS45 MUCH better than any m&p.
Anyways, I am not waiting for anyone to make what I want. I'm too old and truthfully, disinterested. I am currently waiting on a clean 457. I will be sending it to the VERY talented guzzitaco. He will turn it into the compact 45 carry gun I am looking for. Regards 18DAI
My lovely wife, who knows zero about guns, bought me a piece of sheild 45 (my dealer has a sense of humor). The trigger sucks. It is accurate enough and to date reliable. But it only gets carried on duty. Because I am in a non permissve environment and its the thinnest, lightest 45 available to me.
I do not carry it at my part-time off duty job. I have much nicer compact 45s for those purposes. My 457 is a much better pistol. And with its TercGen curved backstrap grips, fits my hand as if it was made for me. And I like my CS45 MUCH better than any m&p.
Anyways, I am not waiting for anyone to make what I want. I'm too old and truthfully, disinterested. I am currently waiting on a clean 457. I will be sending it to the VERY talented guzzitaco. He will turn it into the compact 45 carry gun I am looking for.
Regards 18DAI
