Anyone know anything about old bb guns?

[78shovel]

A lady gave me a couple of old bb guns yesterday and I can't seem to find any good sources for info on them. One is a King Junior No 10. The other is a Daisy Red Ryder Carbine model 40. They are kind of dusty and rusty but I am just curious how old they are and how they work. I haven't really messed with them for fear of causing damage, so any info is appreciated.

 

[sipowicz]

Not sure about 1 but 2 is easy...

"Christmas Story"

 

[Black_Sheep]

I can't identify the first one but the second one is obviously a Daisy "Red Ryder". I still have the one from my youth, it was my Dad's BB gun when he was a kid. Not much of the original finish is left and the home made forend has been on it for as long as I can remember.

 

[78shovel]

Not sure about 1 but 2 is easy...

Seems like the only info I can find is more about the movie... funny for $3.05 you could buy a bb gun and a whole tube of bb's

 

[78shovel]

I can't identify the first one but the second one is obviously a Daisy "Red Ryder". I still have the one from my youth, it was my Dad's BB gun when he was a kid. Not much of the original finish is left and the home made forend has been on it for as long as I can remember.

That's cool. does it still work? I have been kind of afraid to try these. How do you load a bb in it? There are a bunch in the tube.

 

[Mule Packer]

How do you load a bb in it? There are a bunch in the tube.

If there are some in the tube, all you have to do is cock it with the lever. It's ready to go.

Ah, yes...Daisy Air Rifles: "Keeping Kids Off The Lawn Since 1873"

 

[sipowicz]

I have been kind of afraid to try these. How do you load a bb in it? There are a bunch in the tube.

Don't shoot your eye out.

 

[kwselke]

I can't identify the first one but the second one is obviously a Daisy "Red Ryder". I still have the one from my youth, it was my Dad's BB gun when he was a kid. Not much of the original finish is left and the home made forend has been on it for as long as I can remember.

That's cool. does it still work? I have been kind of afraid to try these. How do you load a bb in it? There are a bunch in the tube.

Current Red Rider manual http://www.daisy.com/sites/default/files/manuals/spring_air_manual.pdf My BB gun years were 1968 to 1974, but I still have the Daisy Model 25 I got in 1972. They are great for learning how to use sights.

 

[A Castle]

If you acquired them in NY I hope you had a backround check done by someone with a FFL!!!!

 

[Black_Sheep]

I can't identify the first one but the second one is obviously a Daisy "Red Ryder". I still have the one from my youth, it was my Dad's BB gun when he was a kid. Not much of the original finish is left and the home made forend has been on it for as long as I can remember.

That's cool. does it still work? I have been kind of afraid to try these. How do you load a bb in it? There are a bunch in the tube.

Yes it works, I still shoot it once in a while.

Carefully rotate the cap on the end of the barrel counter-clockwise until the small tab rotates and exposes the end of the magazine tube. To load just place BBs in the magazine tube and rotate the cap clockwise to cover the end of the magazine tube.

You can unscrew the cap on the end of the barrel to remove the inner barrel, it's all one piece so dont worry about any small parts falling out. I'd check the barrel for obstructions before trying to fire it, if everything checks out give it a try.

FWIW I'm just shy of 53 and my Dad is 77, I don't know how old the Red Ryder is but I would guess it was made in the 40's...

 

[78shovel]

Don't shoot your eye out.

Good advice...

 

[78shovel]

Yes it works, I still shoot it once in a while.

Carefully rotate the cap on the end of the barrel counter-clockwise until the small tab rotates and exposes the end of the magazine tube. To load just place BBs in the magazine tube and rotate the cap clockwise to cover the end of the magazine tube.

You can unscrew the cap on the end of the barrel to remove the inner barrel, it's all one piece so dont worry about any small parts falling out. I'd check the barrel for obstructions before trying to fire it, if everything checks out give it a try.

FWIW I'm just shy of 53 and my Dad is 77, I don't know how old the Red Ryder is but I would guess it was made in the 40's...

We are the same age roughly, I will be 52 in December. Appreciate the info...

 

[78shovel]

If you acquired them in NY I hope you had a backround check done by someone with a FFL!!!!

Alabama is not that bad off (yet).

 

[78shovel]

Current Red Rider manual http://www.daisy.com/sites/default/files/manuals/spring_air_manual.pdf My BB gun years were 1968 to 1974, but I still have the Daisy Model 25 I got in 1972. They are great for learning how to use sights.

Thank you for the link, very helpful

 

[jeffsmith]

Don't shoot your eye out.

Sip, You OK???'

It took you until Post #7

I expected this sooner

 

[opoefc]

The King ( first called the "Sentinel" ) is one of a series of air guns made by the Markham Air Rifle Co. It was one of the first all metal air guns. It was designed by Clarence Hamilton. The King Jr. No. 10 is a single shot, break open, with a sheet metal frame and Walnut slab stock. It has a cast iron trigger guard and came out in 1910. It was the cheapest of the Markham line of air guns. There are 3 variations of the Jr. No. 10. Yours is the 3rd variation with the ring trigger, patented by E.S.Roe. Daisy took over the Markham Co. shortly thereafter.
Your Red Ryder appears to be circa 1946 vintage, based on the features I see in your photo.
. The first Red Ryders came out in 1940 and are still available today. I was a lucky recipient of one of the first ones, as the cartoonist who drew the Red Ryder comic strip lived not to far from my house, and for whatever reason I don't recall now, he presented one to each of my Cub Scout troop in 1940. Unfortunately, I traded it off later, but did put many thousands of BB through it.
Ed.

 

[78shovel]

The King ( first called the "Sentinel" ) is one of a series of air guns made by the Markham Air Rifle Co. It was one of the first all metal air guns. It was designed by Clarence Hamilton. The King Jr. No. 10 is a single shot, break open, with a sheet metal frame and Walnut slab stock. It has a cast iron trigger guard and came out in 1910. It was the cheapest of the Markham line of air guns. There are 3 variations of the Jr. No. 10. Yours is the 3rd variation with the ring trigger, patented by E.S.Roe. Daisy took over the Markham Co. shortly thereafter.
Your Red Ryder appears to be circa 1946 vintage, based on the features I see in your photo.
. The first Red Ryders came out in 1940 and are still available today. I was a lucky recipient of one of the first ones, as the cartoonist who drew the Red Ryder comic strip lived not to far from my house, and for whatever reason I don't recall now, he presented one to each of my Cub Scout troop in 1940. Unfortunately, I traded it off later, but did put many thousands of BB through it.
Ed.

Thank you for the info, I was able to find a little more after your post. I actually shot the Red Ryder (twice!) and have now figured out the King Junior works, just haven't figured out where to put the bb
I think you are close on the date of the Red Ryder, it looks like the logo on the stock is stamped. Pre war stocks the logo was burned on. Also wiped it down with some gun oil and found out it is a No 111 model 40, the last of those were made in 1954.
Again, thank you for the info! Never thought a 51 year old could be so excited over bb guns!
P.S. Very cool you got one of the first ones, awesome memory for sure. Probably pictures of that somewhere...

 

[Old TexMex]

We used to load our red riders by dumping the packet of BB's in our mouth, and blowing them into the loading port. It was faster than tipping them in. We wanted fast reloading capabilities.
I also remember drilling a hole in the top of an air compressor gun and fitting a hopper made from a funnel...120psi and a 50gallon air tank and a big sack of #7 1/2 shot from my daddys gun shop.....fun while it lasted 'till the old man showed up...big buzz kill razor strap experience.

 

[78shovel]

On a side note, this very nice lady also gave me a a Mill Run Brite-Bore Universal gun cleaning kit. Looks like most of the pieces are still in it, has a metal case with a cardboard sleeve and is stamped $3.75.
Also gave me a box with 38 rounds (a couple different kinds, full boxes), 12 gauge shotgun shells, a can of Browning ultra-fine gun oil and a 2 ounce bottle (still in the box) of Hoppe's No 9 powder solvent.
There was also some sort of round, about 4 1/2" long and 1 3/8" thick (just the projectile). Interesting stuff.

 

[78shovel]

We used to load our red riders by dumping the packet of BB's in our mouth, and blowing them into the loading port. It was faster than tipping them in. We wanted fast reloading capabilities.
I also remember drilling a hole in the top of an air compressor gun and fitting a hopper made from a funnel...120psi and a 50gallon air tank and a big sack of #7 1/2 shot from my daddys gun shop.....fun while it lasted 'till the old man showed up...big buzz kill razor strap experience.

I remember doing stuff like that, those were the days. No idea how (or why) I still have all of my fingers, toes, eyes, etc.