I know exactly what outbreaks you are referring to.
Smithland in Sioux Falls, SD, and the Tyson plant in Dakota City, NE(Sioux City, IA area)
Those would have happened lockdown or not. See my reference above to the JBS plant in locked down MN.
APARRANTLY THE DEATH RATE IS DOUBLE WHAT THEY PREDICTED IN THE US!
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I know exactly what outbreaks you are referring to.
Smithland in Sioux Falls, SD, and the Tyson plant in Dakota City, NE(Sioux City, IA area)
Those would have happened lockdown or not. See my reference above to the JBS plant in locked down MN.
Folks who need simple answers to complex questions fall for misleading graphics like these consistently, and pass them along, unfortunately.I agree
Correlation does not imply causation; population totals, geographic density, total incidents versus per capita; testing or lack thereof, how much and what kind -- all play major roles in outcomes and understanding.
In this case, two separate graphics, unrelated to each other, combined to incorrectly imply that the lower follows from the upper.
A cursory look at current numbers shows it's inaccurate...
Link to Fox News' Coronavirus main page, including map to state-by-state numbers: Coronavirus | Fox News
Just no. Approaching 85,000 today as of this post. Ignoring tens of thousands of American deaths as if they mean nothing is a shame.
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I heard that people can show negative on a Covid test and won't have symptoms or be shedding or spreading the virus to other people but they can still have it inside them during its incubation period. Then the virus matures a little bit later and makes them sick and contagious and the whole time they thought for sure they didn't have it.
Those numbers are being crunched right now and it's stomach turning. Like the virus and its specific health impact, we're still too much at the front end of this to really understand the scope, but the outlook is bad:
Study: Over 100,000 Small Businesses Have Closed Forever As Result Of Coronavirus Pandemic | The Daily Caller
Link is to Daily Caller working from a Washington Post summary of a study conducted by the University of Illinois, Harvard Business School, Harvard University and the University of Chicago.
From the study: Already 100,000 small businesses permanently closed; it's expected that in the near term 2% total small business in the U.S. will be lost from this.
That's possible -- it's a question of the sensitivity of the test. One of the most significant knowledge-gap issues in the pandemic is an abundance of tests in play right now, many of which aren't established or particularly valid in their sensitivity or specificity for this particular virus. That can account for the scenario you heard about.
Completely correct.
Absolutely. There are many false negatives. Best friend of my Wife "tested negative" and is still at home after 4 weeks of been sicker than sick! The tests can miss certain strains of the virus.
She was sick for 2 weeks and it took two weeks to even get her test results back, She got tested right away as she is in the Medical field.
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susieqz
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i don't believe those numbers.
you can suspect the US numbers as much as you want, but they are roughly in line with all the european stats i see.
i refuse to believe the whole western world is engaged in a conspiracy.
you can suspect the US numbers as much as you want, but they are roughly in line with all the european stats i see.
i refuse to believe the whole western world is engaged in a conspiracy.
Thank you.
Anonymously sourced memes using unaccounted for numbers for a figure any halfway informed individual understands we can't know the actual value of yet? No, that one doesn't work either...
Real information from legitimate sources preferred -- they aren't perfect but they're the best we have and they're a lot better than getting our news and knowledge from Internet memes.
Survival rate is an important number, and the best we can project thus far -- understanding that it isn't final and may go up or down -- remains about 99%, meaning an apparent 1% mortality rate for COVID-19.
That sounds great, and I'll take it over worse, but the facts complicate things. 1%, if that bears out, is ten times worse than annual flu averages for mortality. With sometimes significant variance, on average 40,000 U.S. citizens die each year from flu, per CDC.
If 1% mortality with COVID-19 proves true, that's 400,000 deaths annually. That's significant.
And 99% percent survival, again if accurate, doesn't account for what survival after COVID-19 means because we still don't know. There's evidence that for many it means nothing but back to normal. There's evidence that for some, long term and perhaps permanent physical damage may become their norm. That's significant, too.
That's very different and far more complicated than the implied binary of 1% die and 99% are fine.
We don't know what the long term implications of having had the disease are. We don't know what developing antibodies to it means yet, if they last, if immunity develops, or if it lasts.
Neither side in this rancorous debate actually knows the answer to a lot of important questions.
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^^^ Exactly ^^^
I'm thinking the post's here demanding the country re-open will be 100% on November 4th.
If we aren't open by Nov 4 there's unlikely to be all that many people left posting. Open is irrelevant if we're suffering hundreds of thousands more COVID deaths.
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