Approached by a cop

[repo33]

BADGES...WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN BADGES!

 

[flop-shank]

That was good for a laugh, Wyatt!

 

[rz625-8]

Here in Nebraska,it is on your police record of having a ccw permit. when an LEO stops you for some reason,you are suppose to tell the officer you are carrying a weapon and give your ccw card along with D/L,Insurance card, amd Registration of car and gun. I live in Omaha,and it is the only city in this state of Nebraska that has had a gun registration since 1935. And that is for handguns only. rz625-8

 

[625 Shooter]

Originally posted by Beans:
I was stopped in the Las Vegas area as the NV state vehicle's license plate on the vehicle, I was using come back "not on file".

Which was common for the agency I was working for.

There is no ID marking on the plate to indicate it is a state vehicle.

The metro officer, after running my DL asked about my CCW and state ID.

When your name and or your DL is run in Nevada the NV CCW information is automatically displayed on the in-cruiser's display screen

There is/was no requirment to Inform any LEO of the CCW unless asked.

My notes on the subject:

It has been confirmed that a LEO DOES see that you have a CCW permit when he runs your drivers license (for example, during a routine traffic stop, etc.) That is NOT congruent with legislative intent. The law specifies CCW info is not to be released except for conducting investigations and prosecutions. A "routine" traffic stop does NOT, in my ever so humble opinion, constitute an "investigation" unless there are additional circumstances such as probable cause or reasonable suspicion that a higher crime (other than speeding, etc.) has been committed. I suspect this is a tough battle, but I believe this is wrong and not congruent with the intent of our legislature. All the LEO needs to do is ask - we are required by law to then inform and present our permit if we are carrying concealed. "Bad guys" don't give a damn about laws and informing if they have a weapon. CCW holders are NOT the people the LEOs have to worry about. Our great legislature was very specific in outlining the law and requirements. "Informing" is NOT required. This issue is a case of "making law with no representation."

QUOTE:
NRS 202.3662 Confidentiality of information about applicant for permit and permittee.

1. Except as otherwise provided in this section and NRS 202.3665:
(a) An application for a permit, and all information contained within that application; and
(b) All information provided to a sheriff or obtained by a sheriff in the course of his investigation of an applicant, are confidential.

2. Any records regarding an applicant or permittee may be released to a law enforcement agency for the purpose of conducting an investigation or prosecution.

3. Statistical abstracts of data compiled by a sheriff regarding permits applied for or issued pursuant to NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive, including, but not limited to, the number of applications received and permits issued, may be released to any person.
UNQUOTE

Above, in NRS 202.3662, it is clear the legislature's intent was to keep CCW info completely confidential. Also, in my humble opinion, a "routine" traffic stop does not warrant nor equate with "conducting an investigation" as allowed in paragraph two above (unless further evidence/probable cause/reasonable suspicion exists.)

As I mentioned above, I think this would be a tough battle to fight, but it still "just ain't right!"

 

[cAlvis]

Wyatt Earp,

I have a 4" N Frame, but I never thought it was concealable. Any ideas you'd like to share with a beginner?

 

[Wyatt Earp]

Originally posted by cAlvis:
Wyatt Earp,

I have a 4" N Frame, but I never thought it was concealable. Any ideas you'd like to share with a beginner?

Get an IWB holster from Comp-Tac (their CTAC works very well) or from K&D Holsters (Thunderbird Defender). IWB holsters keep the gun tucked in tighter than OWB and make the outline of the gun less visible. I have both and I have only a few shirts that are cut generously enough to allow an N frame to conceal well in a OWB pancacke.

Get trousers one size (two inches) wider than your waist.

Get a very good leather belt. I prefer those from The Beltman. Follow his website's instructions regarding how to size it.

Wear untucked loose fitting, square cut shirts, sweatshirts, or vests. By loose fitting I mean relaxed fit. Not oversized.

Round butt guns hide the easiest. If you have a square butt revolver, magnas and a T grip are the way to fly.

I am 5' 9" and 190 lbs and I can make one disappear. Your chest has to be wider than your waist for this to work.

 

[walnutred]

Originally posted by rchance:
Well I'm curious to know where you had it. I travel through Ohio a lot and by what I read in your laws you could have a loaded gun in your car as long as it's in a holster on the person or locked in a case.

Remember though, the loaded in a vehicle rules only apply if you have a valid CCW permit. Without a permit having a loaded magazine anywhere in the same vehicle as the firearm is a concealed weapons violation. Handgun in a locked case in the trunk and loaded magazine in a locked case up front and your busted. Same for speed loaders.

 

[SM637+P]

I've never had anyone come up to me and have a conversation about caliber or capacity while I've been carrying concealed. At least, I think that means I haven't been 'made'. Of course that is not true, as most of us keep our opinions to ourselves. If any law officer said anything remotely resembling 'do you have a license' I know I've done something wrong.
I've always kept in mind an older episode of COPS that began with an officer practicing one-handed and point-shooting drills at the range. He stated that he shot with a 9mm an aggressor at close range and the rounds did not deter the attack; therefore he now carries .45. In the next segment of the episode the cop is on duty and receives a call about a man observed with a gun at a 7-11 type store. He receives a description of the suspect (who does not have a firearm visible to the camera), apprehends him violently (he's ready to shoot the man in the head), searches him, and recovers a revolver. Never asks about a permit. Obviously the revolver is illegal, but the store clerk called the cops when they saw it. I don't want that guy coming after me.

 

[Lenshappy]

bump idon'tknowwhy

 

[David Sinko]

I never bother to ask a citizen if he's carrying a gun. If he is carrying a gun and intends to shoot me, he'll just lie and say he isn't carrying one and then shoot me anyway. And I have no intentions of taking guns away from otherwise law abiding citizens who desperately need to protect themselves.

Dave Sinko

 

[user]

I've read a lot of Dave Sinko's posts, and I'm beginning to think about starting the Dave Sinko Foundation. It'll be a nonprofit, tax exempt, and we'll pay Dave to go around lecturing law enforcement candidates on how to be sensible in the field.

 

[Double-O-Dave]

Originally posted by SM637+P:
I've never had anyone come up to me and have a conversation about caliber or capacity while I've been carrying concealed. At least, I think that means I haven't been 'made'. Of course that is not true, as most of us keep our opinions to ourselves. If any law officer said anything remotely resembling 'do you have a license' I know I've done something wrong.
I've always kept in mind an older episode of COPS that began with an officer practicing one-handed and point-shooting drills at the range. He stated that he shot with a 9mm an aggressor at close range and the rounds did not deter the attack; therefore he now carries .45. In the next segment of the episode the cop is on duty and receives a call about a man observed with a gun at a 7-11 type store. He receives a description of the suspect (who does not have a firearm visible to the camera), apprehends him violently (he's ready to shoot the man in the head), searches him, and recovers a revolver. Never asks about a permit. Obviously the revolver is illegal, but the store clerk called the cops when they saw it. I don't want that guy coming after me.

I remember that episode also. He was a Las Vegas officer and a very competent looking officer.

Regards,

Dave

 

[Dusty Miller]

Originally posted by The Big D:Was at a Baltimore Orioles game a few years back when the POTUS made a visit. A USSS Special Agent was posted within a coupla feet of my seat. I advised her I was CCW...the reasons for that are obvious, I hope.

Be safe.

Say what? You had your permit, it was legal for you to carry. What possible business could it be of the agent's? If you are within the law, you are within the law. It ain't NOBODY ELSE'S business that you are pack'n. Phukk'm.

 

[The Big D]

Originally posted by Dusty Miller:

Originally posted by The Big D:Was at a Baltimore Orioles game a few years back when the POTUS made a visit. A USSS Special Agent was posted within a coupla feet of my seat. I advised her I was CCW...the reasons for that are obvious, I hope.

Be safe.

Say what? You had your permit, it was legal for you to carry. What possible business could it be of the agent's? If you are within the law, you are within the law. It ain't NOBODY ELSE'S business that you are pack'n. Phukk'm.

Dusty, you need a reality check. USSS SA's are trained to spot a person w/CCW however well concealed it may be.

As one who is experienced in dignitary protection I advised the SA of my CCW just in case she noticed or in the event another situation arose. Believe me when I tell you you don't want to be id'd as toting a gun when the POTUS is around. For the record, I was a LEO at the time and, like I said, familiar with protocols...and common sense.

Be safe.

 

[ttpete]

Originally posted by The Big D:

Originally posted by Dusty Miller:

Originally posted by The Big D:Was at a Baltimore Orioles game a few years back when the POTUS made a visit. A USSS Special Agent was posted within a coupla feet of my seat. I advised her I was CCW...the reasons for that are obvious, I hope.

Be safe.

Say what? You had your permit, it was legal for you to carry. What possible business could it be of the agent's? If you are within the law, you are within the law. It ain't NOBODY ELSE'S business that you are pack'n. Phukk'm.

Dusty, you need a reality check. USSS SA's are trained to spot a person w/CCW however well concealed it may be.

As one who is experienced in dignitary protection I advised the SA of my CCW just in case she noticed or in the event another situation arose. Believe me when I tell you you don't want to be id'd as toting a gun when the POTUS is around. For the record, I was a LEO at the time and, like I said, familiar with protocols...and common sense.

Be safe.

You probably badged him before you mentioned you were armed. That makes it a whole lot different. The average citizen would probably have been taken down had he mentioned being armed. And as far as secret service agents being able to magically detect a weapon goes, the last I heard was that having x-ray vision wasn't a requirement for employment. If a person doesn't print and doesn't fidget around touching his weapon or acting nervous, there's really no way of positively determining whether he's armed.

 

[The Big D]

Good point, ttpete, re: the lack of x-ray vision.

I certainly didn't mean to imply they could detect all who are CCW.

Be safe.

 

[ZO6Vettever]

I don't see what is so wrong with telling a LEO you are legally armed at the onset of a stop. I have nothing to hide. We can proceed in whatever manner he wishes. If I'm caught in a traffic violation I want to have the LEO as relaxed as can be. I believe chances of a warning improve if you don't come off as a "I know my rights" guy.

 

[Tuber]

+1 for being up front with it.

I believe that I've had two warning tickets (speeding on the interstate) that would've been real tickets had I not. Both times it was out of state and after disclosing the officer treated me as a responsible citizen that just needed to "slow it down" a little bit as opposed to a person flagrantly breaking the law.

 

[FiremanMike]

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
The question presumes that the peace officer saw a bulge that made him suspicious and would ask if you were carrying a gun legally or not.

Just so you know Wyatt, when he pulled in behind you and ran your plates, he already knew you had a CCW, it is one of the first things that comes back when the dispatcher runs the plates through LEADS.

 

[The Big D]

Originally posted by FiremanMike:

Originally posted by Wyatt Earp:
The question presumes that the peace officer saw a bulge that made him suspicious and would ask if you were carrying a gun legally or not.

Just so you know Wyatt, when he pulled in behind you and ran your plates, he already knew you had a CCW, it is one of the first things that comes back when the dispatcher runs the plates through LEADS.

Mike:

Don't know where "LEADS" is used but not all jurisdictions have CCW permits linked to their criminal or motor vehicle records thus the LEO would NOT have that info.

Be safe.