onegunshort
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That's some rough justice, I'll bet it's effective though
Are all the honest hunters gone? [Solution!!?]
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That's some rough justice, I'll bet it's effective though
DeathGrip
US Veteran
^^^Editing at its finest.
bitstream
Member
Of all the ideas posted, the idea to post some cameras is great (other than your idea to rent the cabin to the LEOs). Turn the tables on them with some of those motion activated game cameras. Get some nice shots of them on your property and take that to the police. Smile for the birdy.
USAF385
US Veteran
I'm an Iowa pheasant hunter and I have a few friends that own good farms. One of the best is a couple in my church who live on one end of the farm and the guys widowed mother lives on the other. Whenever I hunt, I always check in beforehand, even though I have standing permission to hunt there whenever I want. I also stop in and talk to the mom when I'm done. She is always so glad to see me and I sit and talk to her for quite a while. Here's where this all pays off though. She makes me pie. Let's see, unlimited, free, excellent hunting and pie. Does it really get any better than that?
Andy Griffith
Member
There was a gentleman outside Vidalia where we used to go down and try hunt deer. Try is all we ever did. 
We did wind up hunting some rabbits with him and having a ball at that. Met him at a gas station and struck up a conversation and never asked him at first about hunting on his place, but the thought crossed my mind later. We took him some ginseng from up my way, and he would trade in onions. (I don't and never have dug ginseng...wouldn't have a clue.)
What I know is, befriend someone before asking to hunt...it's better that way.
We did wind up hunting some rabbits with him and having a ball at that. Met him at a gas station and struck up a conversation and never asked him at first about hunting on his place, but the thought crossed my mind later. We took him some ginseng from up my way, and he would trade in onions. (I don't and never have dug ginseng...wouldn't have a clue.)What I know is, befriend someone before asking to hunt...it's better that way.
All I can say at this time is trespassers can be very dangerous. There is a case in this area in which a lawyer was killed after a couple yrs of problems with trespassers. Since the case is still under investigation, not a lot is known about the background but his fences were down, trees were cut and now he has been shot to death.
All beginning with trespassers wanting to hunt.
Life used to not be this way.
All beginning with trespassers wanting to hunt.
Life used to not be this way.
Kelly Green
Member
Poaching can be a local problem caused by one or two individuals but there are some illegal operations that span state lines. There is nothing these criminals won't poach; animals, birds, fish, snakes, turtles and even plants.
In Texas, we have a program called Texas Wildlife Crimestoppers. It's been in operation since 1981 and is a law enforcement division of Texas Parks and Wildlife.
Texas takes poaching seriously and will investigate all complaints and tips. The poached area is treated like a crime scene, which it is. If the criminals are apprehended, they are prosecuted. Texas Parks and Wildlife even offers rewards up to $1000.00 for information leading to the arrest of poachers.
In Texas, we have a program called Texas Wildlife Crimestoppers. It's been in operation since 1981 and is a law enforcement division of Texas Parks and Wildlife.
Texas takes poaching seriously and will investigate all complaints and tips. The poached area is treated like a crime scene, which it is. If the criminals are apprehended, they are prosecuted. Texas Parks and Wildlife even offers rewards up to $1000.00 for information leading to the arrest of poachers.
Herknav
Member
It sounds good to me, but I do have one question. Why the 6-month notice? He's not paying you any rent, and he's dealing with the utility comapanies directly, so there's no effect on you other than giving you lead time to get a new tenant.
The reason I ask is that the military sometimes doesn't give that much notice, but most landlords in areas with a large military population have a "military clause" that allows the tenant to get out of a lease with military orders. You could still have him sign a lease, but give him an out with a copy of his orders. Without that, I'd be hesitant to sign, especially if I was likely to move on short notice.
If the house is in descent shape, I can't imagine you having a problem filling it, and I'm sure word of mouth would help pass it on from cop to cop. After all, they're living rent-free. If you need to, you can throw in a little free hunting to sweeten the pot.
Just my $.02,
Herk
Herk,
You made me realize that I worded that in a confusing way...I meant that the tenant would have a six month notice from me if I had to end the arrangement.
As far as I'm concerned, they could leave any time they wanted.
FWIW, next week I'm posting the notice, if I can get the time to go...
Len
You made me realize that I worded that in a confusing way...I meant that the tenant would have a six month notice from me if I had to end the arrangement.
As far as I'm concerned, they could leave any time they wanted.
FWIW, next week I'm posting the notice, if I can get the time to go...
Len
Len, I think you've struck upon a great idea. I've yet to buy a place up north but have wondered about upkeep and security once I do so. Another idea would be contacting the local DNR office with the offer if none of the MSP guys take you up on it. I would assume DNR officers are sometimes similarly transient at times with their postings and interested in temporary housing.
Please let us know how this works out for you.
Please let us know how this works out for you.
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DB...will do.
I see this as a win-win...the house is paid for, empty, in great shape, and I like the idea of giving someone who protects and serves a nice deal.
The fact that there would be a trustworthy person living there is nothing but good from my angle, too.
[I'm going to use your DNR idea, too!]
Len
I see this as a win-win...the house is paid for, empty, in great shape, and I like the idea of giving someone who protects and serves a nice deal.
The fact that there would be a trustworthy person living there is nothing but good from my angle, too.
[I'm going to use your DNR idea, too!]
Len
bitstream
Member
Frank237
Absent Comrade
Deer and elk starts this Saturday. A six week season that attracts hunters from all over the country. Back when I worked for the Hwy Patrol we were considered Ex Officio Game Wardens, so could write F&G violations. During the season I often wrote as many game violations as I did traffic cites! Think about that...game violations SO EASY to spot that one can write four or five a shift...as well as handle other calls for Service, emergencies, accidents, etc.
The tresspasers were the most prolific, usually stemming from shooting off a highway at game,then going onto private property to retrieve it...or cut the head off for the horns.
After twenty plus years of dealing with these "Sportsman" each season and assisiting our over worked Game Wardens I got a look at hunting that few see.
That experience allowed me to form an opinion; I feel that 50% of the game harvested here in MT is taken ILLEGALLY by the letter of the Law. Such as; shooting from roadways, one hunter filling the tags of others, tresspasing, or the big one...wasting game. It's very common to find dozens of deer, antelope or elk through the season, with either horns removed or only the prime cuts removed, with the rest left to rot.
We had a single slob who killed several elk, then took only the HORNS. Leaving SEVEN immature bulls to rot. The horns he took were all either spikes or raghorns.
And the amount of WOUNDED game we find! Apparently unless it falls IMMEDIATELY one simply shoots another. Or the hapless animal got in the way of a slug as they attempted to hit something FAR beyond their ability as marksman. Watching hunters shoot at a herd of deer or antelope thats 600-900 yds away is very common on a rural road.
Sad situation nowadays.
FN in MT
The tresspasers were the most prolific, usually stemming from shooting off a highway at game,then going onto private property to retrieve it...or cut the head off for the horns.
After twenty plus years of dealing with these "Sportsman" each season and assisiting our over worked Game Wardens I got a look at hunting that few see.
That experience allowed me to form an opinion; I feel that 50% of the game harvested here in MT is taken ILLEGALLY by the letter of the Law. Such as; shooting from roadways, one hunter filling the tags of others, tresspasing, or the big one...wasting game. It's very common to find dozens of deer, antelope or elk through the season, with either horns removed or only the prime cuts removed, with the rest left to rot.
We had a single slob who killed several elk, then took only the HORNS. Leaving SEVEN immature bulls to rot. The horns he took were all either spikes or raghorns.
And the amount of WOUNDED game we find! Apparently unless it falls IMMEDIATELY one simply shoots another. Or the hapless animal got in the way of a slug as they attempted to hit something FAR beyond their ability as marksman. Watching hunters shoot at a herd of deer or antelope thats 600-900 yds away is very common on a rural road.
Sad situation nowadays.
FN in MT
Jst1mr
Member
Not a new problem, but a despicable one. When I lived in the UP of Michigan some twenty years ago, there were those that somehow believed they owned some large tracts of state land, and defended those against any other "trespass".
I guess I'm lucky. In the eleven plus years we have owned our farm we have had few poachers, no fences cut and only two break-ins to the farm house, that we know of. We don't keep ANYTHING of pawnable value in the house and I don't even know where/if I have a key to the doors as we never lock them to keep thugs and the like from kicking in a door or breaking a window. Part of the solution we put into place for trespassers was to dig a six foot deep by four foot wide ditch across the entire road frontage on the farm. Behind the ditch is a five foot, four wire barbed-wire fence. At the only driveable entrance to the farm we put a cattle grate over the ditch behind the gate and pull it up and chain it to a tree when leaving. Last year we did have a problem with a tweeker cooking meth in one of our barns. That was solved with five IR trail cameras. Tweeker #1 was being drooped off at the gate by tweeker #2, #1 walked up to the barn and would start "Cooking". #2 would call #1 when done cooking and call #2 for his pickup. Local SD knew them and they were prosecuted and convicted on five charges each of criminal trespass x 30 days per conviction, served concurrent. They were out after 17 days, but we have not seen them come back.
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rburg
Member
And now we begin to see the root of the problem. Its just not taken seriously by the courts. Given what they were doing, a much harsher sentence would be appropriate.
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