Army selects Black Hawk replacement

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I guess they're planning on landing only in wide open spaces.

All the visible wiring/hydraulic piping at the nuckle of the rotor housings seems highly vulnerable to ground fire.
 
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I read through the linked article on the Osprey. Quite a few incidents were pilot error. Others had to do either with fairly normal development issues with new equipment and/or the electronic component management systems that seem to be part of all new stuff these days. Heck, every vehicle I've owned since 1996 has had a gas pedal that talks to the engine management system/power train control module. The controls on many/most newer aircraft tell the computer what the pilot wants to do, the computer decides what it's response is. In some cases, the computer is the only way to keep the bird in the air. I'm not sure that's the way to go.

In times past, a lot of development issues were little known outside the armed forces/flight industry. Over time a slew of aircraft became known as "widow makers" during development/early deployment. Many went on to have long and distinguished service histories.

Without access to the RFP, I'd have to guess that the new bird is intended to supplement, not replace the Blackhawk*. If so, the Sikorsky design would seem a better fit from a O&M standpoint, but I don't know the mission parameters. I strongly suspect there's an ego thing here where if the flyboys and jarheads have tiltrotors, they want one too (Ours is better!). Time will tell on any comparisons. Won't be the first (or last) time the DOD blew a product selection.

BTW, I don't live all that far from Quantico. While the Osprey was officially grounded, I saw one in flight several times. Impressive to see, has a rather distinctive sound.

*OK, that's just the Army's toy. But, I'd be curious to see how something like that would operate off naval vessels. Or, for that matter around them. The helo isn't dead.
 
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My boy the helo pilot said he'd resign if he had to fly the Osprey. He called them pilot killers, and pilot error aside, if anything goes wrong, and there are many things that can go wrong, in transition from horizontal to vertical flight, they cannot salvage a landing via autorotation and cannot glide either.
 
I see it as a major supplement - but not a true replacement. There will still be a need for a true Blackhawk IMO.

That's my take as well. If for no other reason than budgets. Blackhawks are going to be around for many years to come.
 
As the helicopter mechanics say-
"When they fly the last Blackhawk to the boneyard, the crew will be flown back in a Huey." ;)
 
To quote one of our distinguished members here, "Never fly the A model."


Pardon me sir, but I resemble that comment:D.


I'm thinking it's time for RetiredW4 to chime in here.


Kick the Blackhawk to the curb and replace with an Osprey? Well, they might do it but it sure as heck aint' a viable replacement for the Blackhawk platform. Even a dummy like me that knows nothing about Helos'
can see that.
 
I've ridden V-22s in and out of Embassy Baghdad - if you need to get lots of folks somewhere (or OUT of somewhere) faster than Blackhawks or Hueys, the Osprey does it best. They are noisy, but harder to hit with small arms (speed and climb rate) and RPGs. When they fail, it's spectacular, apparently, but they've been in routine use long enough to know where the bugs are.

I'm a willing tilt-rotor passenger.

Quick - what's a Bell 214B?? :)
A: A painted Huey with real seats.
 
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My SIL spent 6 years working on the FLIR and HUD systems on Ospreys including a year at Camp Bastion/Camp Leatherneck.

He said he still wouldn't hesitate to throw his butt into one of their jump seats.
 
To quote one of our distinguished members here, "Never fly the A model."

First Huey I had as a crew chief was an A model on the polo field in the Dominican Republic. The old thing seemed ok of course I was a youngster and I didn’t know anything different. It was replaced with a new D model when we returned to Ft Bragg.

After reading over this thread again I don’t believe the “don’t fly the A model” was referring to a Huey.
 
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"Don't fly the A model" infers the "A" models have all the developmental--and safety--problems.
 
My boy the helo pilot said he'd resign if he had to fly the Osprey. He called them pilot killers, and pilot error aside, if anything goes wrong, and there are many things that can go wrong, in transition from horizontal to vertical flight, they cannot salvage a landing via autorotation and cannot glide either.

Much wisdom from your boy. I had a long chat with an Osprey pilot at Oshkosh a few years ago. He shuffled and wiggled a lot when I asked about safety. He blamed pilot error on the flight mode transition accidents. Neither autorotation nor gliding after loss of one or both engines/props/tilt control/etc. are an option. Ejection seats and ballistic parachutes would seem to be in order to survive even a partial power failure. They must be wildly inefficient in hover. They’re noisy for a reason. That said, they are a war machine and higher losses are tolerated than for civilian use.
 
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