Articles- M&P PRODUCTION UPDATES: Slide stops,barrels,sear

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Update: It was mentioned that the links were not working so I'm also posting the text from the articles.

Slide Stop Updates:
M&P Production Updates: Slide Stops | Modern Service Weapons
S&W Slide Stop.jpg
The S&W M&P pistol has undergone a great deal of evolution since its introduction in 2006. In a previous installment, I discussed the recent barrel changes, which improve overall performance with different ammunition types. One of the weakest points of the M&P that shooters really disliked was the lack of a perceptible trigger reset. I do not “shoot to reset” in that I do not hunt for the click prior to pressing the trigger to the rear, and I actually did not realize there was no tactile reset until someone told me. Regardless of your personal preference, Smith has listened to customers and has made a change that gives the M&P an extremely tactile reset sensation.
The first wave fix was around 2012 production, where a new “tactical” trigger bar was introduced. This did improve reset somewhat compared to original production guns, but the 2013 production guns now feature a new slide stop (pictured top right) with a pronounced flare to push the trigger bar back into reset. When the trigger is released to move forward, you feel a distinct click – both audible and tactile – when the trigger bar snaps past the slide stop and resets.
A common question we get is “when exactly did this change happen?” These changes are typically referred to as “rolling changes,” meaning that as new parts are phased in as old parts are depleted. It is therefore quite difficult to nail down the exact date stamp of guns where this came about. The latest guns to hit the office here in April/May all have the new slide stop setup.

Source: Modern Service Weapons M&P Production Updates: Slide Stops | Modern Service Weapons
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This one is on sear updates..

M&P Production Updates: The Sear | Modern Service Weapons
S&W Sear.jpg
From TOP: MIM sear, current production sear, Performance Center sear.

In my last few installments, I looked at the production upgrades to the M&P barrels and slide stops. The next big area of improvement is the sear. The newest guns received at our office in late spring of this year have all been outfitted with the new sear, which is a machined part with a few geometry changes.
The original M&P sear was a MIM part, and actually worked pretty well and was even able to accept hand work to hold a trigger job. A common issue with them was that the striker engagement surface often had some minor molding artifacts which affected the trigger pull. This would typically wear in after some use, or could be stoned smooth during a trigger job. The S&W Performance Center introduced their own machined sear which they used in their custom guns and trigger work, and the machined steel surfaces provided an excellent canvas for further refinement.
In the above photo, the oblong protrusion seen at the top right of each sear is the camming surface which interfaces with the “candy cane” sear cam loop on the trigger bar. The shape and angle of this protrusion control where in your trigger movement that the sear actually frees the striker and fires the gun. You can see that the new production and Performance Center sears both have modified cam geometry, which helps reduce overtravel.
So let’s cut through the egghead gunsmith talk and get to the meat of it. What does this new sear mean for the shooter? With some small improvements to the forming of the new trigger bars, the improved slide stop, and this new sear, M&P shooters will get an out of the box trigger pull that has tactile reset, a smoother take-up than older samples, and a cleaner more consistent break. In conjunction with the new 1:10 twist barrels, the new M&P’s are a very solid out of the box modern service pistol.

Source: Modern Service Weapons M&P Production Updates: The Sear | Modern Service Weapons

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This one is on barrels..

Pic of the Day: New Production M&P Barrel | Modern Service Weapons
S&W Barrel.jpg
The S&W M&P barrels have been one of the main weak points of the gun, as the original barrels with the 1:18.75″ twist were often quite ammunition sensitive, shooting some bullet weights better than others. The second generation of barrels changed the transition geometry between the chamber and barrel for improved durability. This apparent third generation of barrels now has a faster twist, and appears to be approximately 1:10, similar to what CZ and Glock use. In a limited survey of 10 new production full size 9mm M&Ps from this spring, the guns all included this barrel. Initial test firing with 115, 124, and 147 grain ammunition seems to show that these new barrels now provide Glock-like performance and accuracy with the various weights, not showing a preference for any one weight. It is still too early to provide a sweeping endorsement, but this initial testing is quite positive.
Let us know if your barrel has different markings, and when it was produced

Source: Modern Service Weapons Pic of the Day: New Production M&P Barrel | Modern Service Weapons




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I agree with what he says about the tactile reset. Not a must for me, but I know nothing else.

I know some of the youtubers Hickok45 or Colin Noir who like the reset is a common complaint.
 
Very interesting!
It's good to see that S&W is really fine tuning their products.
 
Send an email. Show them a link to the article and ask them if they could furnish you one with the pronounced trigger reset as shown in the picture.

The question I am wondering... how hard is it to swap mine out...
 
I may be mistaken but I think that it's been mentioned before if you send in yours for something they replace parts with newer/revised versions.

I'm sure someone can chime in with an experience or two.
 
I think you would find S&W will not bring a gun up to current standards, if you send it in for warranty issues. If you send it in for a mag drop, they are not likely to tear the gun apart and replace the trigger bar and sear. However if you send the gun in for a sear or trigger bar issue, they would likely replace both with the newest parts. Their only obligation is to make sure the gun is returned to the customer in the same condition, as it was originally sold.

Bob
 
How do you know which version you have as mine is like this:
Has old type Slide stop, the Sear has a circle/dot on face of it and my barrel has the divot/dot(not as pronounced as your picture, more like a small dot) on the bottom of it. and I bought mine of Feb of this year.
 
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How do you know which version you have as mine is like this:
Has old type Slide stop, the Sear has a circle/dot on face of it and my barrel has the divot/dot(not as pronounced as your picture, more like a small dot) on the bottom of it. and I bought mine of Feb of this year.

Not really sure on this one. The barrel on my FS.40 actually has two dimples on it. My shield has one (I think). So that being said it seems like the FS has been through two revisions.

JFR
 
I don't always consider a production update an improvement. Sometimes it's a cost saving measure. Look at Sig. Many of the FCG parts that used to be milled, or forged, are now cast, metal injection molded, or even plastic. Look at the PTR rifles. The bolt carriers & heads used to be quality HK imported licensed parts which never had problems. Now they are made in the USA, & break, as they are not hardened properly. So in my experience, unless S&W issues a recall for me to send in my gun because of safety problems, I'm not changing anything, as that "production upgrade" could have been a "cost saving" production change. My 4 year old M&P40c has the black firing pin, & I'm not changing it as it works fine. After 30+ years in the auto parts, & gun business, I've learned "newer isn't always better". GARY
 
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Not really sure on this one. The barrel on my FS.40 actually has two dimples on it. My shield has one (I think). So that being said it seems like the FS has been through two revisions.

JFR

I don't think .40 accuracy was ever in question, I think the barrel update is only relevant to the 9mm.
 
Which one has better reset, the old one with apex ram or the new one with out?
 
One thing I have definitely noticed in terms of production changes, the roll marks nowadays are nowwhere near as distinct or deep as they once were. My "stainless" marked .45 FS from 2008 has way more impressive roll marks than my 2013 .45c.
 
I'm an idiot. Please ignore my previous post about not having any dimples ... I was looking in the wrong place. What I did find is my M&P FS has one dimple, and it's in the middle of my test fire dates (mid May). My 9c has two, and it is the "oldest" from April. The Pro has two (early May), and the CORE has one (late May). The Pro and CORE have a nice smooth trigger bar, but no flare.
 
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A couple weeks back I purchased a new 9c and was surprised to see a test fire date of March-5-13. This one must have sat in the case for a while.

The barrel has 2 small dimples which some say is an update to the one dimple barrel. The slide stop looks to have the current flare/protrusion, it does have the audible and tactile reset which is not as audible as my shield, however it is audible, I have no idea about the sear. I have yet to shoot this one but I will say I like the trigger on the 9c better than the one on my Shield.
 
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I just checked the sears on my Shield and 9c. The Shield which was test fired 5-13 has the mim sear which is more rounded, the 9c has the new production sear which was test fired 3-13. Maybe this explains why I like the 9c trigger better than the Shield.
 
The new M&P upgrades are phenominal. Much much much better!!! I have always felt the m&p was better than the __ock but these upgrades absolutely change the whole trigger aspect of the gun....Great job S&W!!!
 
Looks like the slide stops are the exact same part, only they bent the inner edge on one side for the audible/tactile reset. Wonder why all of them aren't getting the same treatment at this point including the 45 models which they seem to have forgotten when it comes to upgrades......at least for now I hope.
 
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