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Unfortunately the Genie is out of the bottle.

My opinion only - A.I. is going to kill us all.

Don't like it - don't trust it - don't see why the tech giants are running as fast as possible towards our demise.

My head is not in the sand, I spent a career in technology (sales) and going back to a simple life is where I am headed.

What say you??
 
No, the genie isn’t going to murder us in our sleep.

We’re just in peak hype right now — LLMs have hit their limits for the moment, so the new shiny thing is "AI agents". Agents are the opposite of Skynet: they’re obedient tools that only do what you tell them. No desires, no ego, no will to power.

The real risks are human:
- companies chasing profit will automate jobs,
- data centers guzzle energy and strain the planet,
- deepfakes and misinformation will get worse before they get better.

An "AI takeover" would require AI to want something. It doesn’t. It’s just a very fancy autocomplete + tool-user that rich humans point at whatever makes the line go up.
 
I think like all new, revolutionary technology, throughout history, it will be used for good and bad. And whether a particular use is good or bad will often depend on the individual or group. (I do think some uses are unequivocally bad, like fake nudes of real people to embarrass or blackmail them.)

I do think there is a lot of potential for good. E.g., in the medical field to develop new treatments. And I posted in another thread about AI uses in agriculture.

I was reading an article earlier today about how the current main approach, Large Language Models, LLMs, require the huge water and power guzzling data centers we all read about. LLMs, as I understand it, ingest all of the information available on the internet and use it to predict, based on language, what an answer ought to be. But… they have no understanding of the real world, no internal concept of reality. So occasionally their predictions are spectacularly wrong and divorced from reality. ”Hallucinations.”

Another approach, advocated by a guy called Yann LeCun, who just quit as Meta/Facebook’s chief scientist to start his own venture,
is the World Model creation approach, achieved through a process called JEPA, Joint Embedding Predictive Architecture, whereby the AI builds an internal conceptual model of the world as it is, essentially as a human child does as we mature, and then uses this model to make accurate predictions based on reality. Apparently this approach, if successful, does not require ever larger data centers.

I have been using chatbots a lot in recent months. I do find them occasionally just wrong, but usually find them very helpful to quickly figure out stuff.
 
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Imo there will be extremely beneficial uses for it, but it will put millions of white collar workers out of jobs. Especially engineers, computer specialists and multiple layers of bureaucracy based on information distribution. Unfortunately too many are already trying to justify their own ways based on what ai said. And certainly it is only as good as the information it is based on and likely easily manipulated for view points.
 
All I know is, when I encounter the word "legendary" in a facebook article, that's it--I'm gone. All these overly long facebook 'articles' look to me like they've been generated by some 'AI' software which has software that mandates it put the word "legendary" in everything it writes.
 
Imo there will be extremely beneficial uses for it, but it will put millions of white collar workers out of jobs. Especially engineers, computer specialists and multiple layers of bureaucracy based on information distribution. Unfortunately too many are already trying to justify their own ways based on what ai said. And certainly it is only as good as the information it is based on and likely easily manipulated for view points.
From what I understand, for folks like lower level computer coders, yes, it puts them out of work. But for higher level software engineers, it is a convenience — “generate this code” — that makes them much, much more efficient, perhaps analogous to the benefit to engineers of arrival of electronic calculators and then personal computers in the slide rule era.

As for the elimination of multiple layers of bureaucracy based on information distribution, I am not convinced that is bad thing…

I would agree, though, that serious policy consideration needs to be given to how to educate, train, and accommodate everyone in or entering the workforce in this new and emerging AI era so that we have, once again, a vibrant, successful, nurturing employment environment in which hard work leads to success.
 
As for the elimination of multiple layers of bureaucracy based on information distribution, I am not convinced that is bad thing…
Am thinking it's a good thing, unless it happens all at once. The more technologically advanced parts of the world are going to need fewer people, and perhaps learn to not base everything economic on "pop growth". I will be long gone by then
 
Unfortunately the Genie is out of the bottle.

My opinion only - A.I. is going to kill us all.

Don't like it - don't trust it - don't see why the tech giants are running as fast as possible towards our demise.

My head is not in the sand, I spent a career in technology (sales) and going back to a simple life is where I am headed.

What say you??
In its current form I believe the moniker "Artificial Intelligence" is misapplied. It's really just "Massive Computing Capacity" and until they can shrink it down to something the size of a bowling ball that requires around 2000-3000 calories per day to power it then the worst it can do to us it still only what we can do to ourselves.

The only thing I think AI will kill is jobs, but at its current level of cost and complexity (not to mention power consumption) companies may soon discover that underpaying their employees (i.e. - "business as usual") just might be more economical.
 
Science fiction has a way of coming true. Some bot will decide that since humans cause pollution it will be best to eliminate the cause. Or humans cause crime. Or humans cause war.

The Golem. The Forbin Project. War Games. Terminator.

We want machines to do our work and eventually the machines will eliminate the need for human beings.
 
Unfortunately the Genie is out of the bottle.

My opinion only - A.I. is going to kill us all.

Don't like it - don't trust it - don't see why the tech giants are running as fast as possible towards our demise.

My head is not in the sand, I spent a career in technology (sales) and going back to a simple life is where I am headed.

What say you??
Tell Me ... What , exactly , should I do ?
Gary
 
I worry about things that I have control over. AI is indeed here, and here to stay, whether we like it or not. I will not live long enough to see how it all plays out. Between AI and hand held communications it will come to the point where we no longer need the ability to think critically or remember anything. It is just evolution on the fast track. Evolution either advances life or destroys it, but one thing certain, nothing stays the same.
 
We all missed the buggy whip manufacturers when they disappeared and then the elevator operators and even the gals in the typing pool along with their typewriters. People lost jobs but found new ones and along the way the amount of time we spent working decreased while the lifestyle we experienced improved. I think AI will result in the same kinds of changes only even more dramatically. AI, along with robotics and automation, provides the potential to eliminate poverty, at least in developed countries. Figuring out how to distribute the benefits and wealth "fairly" will be a challenge.
 
I think the start of it all was the........................

"Green screen" that they invented, to "Tuch up" the movies .

From there on, I knew that stunt men were out of a job and that I could not beleive my eyes, any more.
 
Like everything else, it's all about the money. Also, look at the people that are instrumental in it's application. Some people are getting rich at the expense of others.

I have personal knowledge of the CEO of a company that is instrumental in the field of AI. To say he is a crook would be an understatement. He is not honest and has no integrity. But that's another story.

AI a 2-edged sword. It can help people or it can hurt them. I don't have any answers. I DO know that my last 2 AI encounters were harmful. I guess all we can do is live with it. Not much we can do about it.
 
An "AI takeover" would require AI to want something. It doesn’t. It’s just a very fancy autocomplete + tool-user that rich humans point at whatever makes the line go up.
That is incorrect. It will only require that whoever owns and controls the AI want something. That "something" is age old. Money and power

Those with money and power are seldom satisfied with what they already have.

What gets me is everyone worrying that AI will put people out of work. In reality there should be no problem with people not having work. There is nothing actually wrong with more leisure and family time. The idea that everyone needs a job and to work is artificial and didn't exist until relatively late in human history. In reality there is more than enough food and shelter for everyone and the amount of labor necessary to produce enough for everyone it is relatively small. The problem is greed and distribution. The majority believe in the concept that "MORE" is better. More will make you "happy and satisfied" LMAO

Americans regard themselves are highly advanced and civilized and work an average of 43 hours a week, Many primitive people work less than 12 hours a week on their livelihood. American children are mostly raised by day care and school systems. Parents spent very little time with them in comparison the those "stupid primitive" tribes. Guess which group has the most violent crime and people in prison. Guess which society has over 1/2 of its population taking some sort of antidepressant?

Hey, we got more "stuff" than they do.
 
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No, the genie isn’t going to murder us in our sleep.

We’re just in peak hype right now — LLMs have hit their limits for the moment, so the new shiny thing is "AI agents". Agents are the opposite of Skynet: they’re obedient tools that only do what you tell them. No desires, no ego, no will to power.

The real risks are human:
- companies chasing profit will automate jobs,
- data centers guzzle energy and strain the planet,
- deepfakes and misinformation will get worse before they get better.

An "AI takeover" would require AI to want something. It doesn’t. It’s just a very fancy autocomplete + tool-user that rich humans point at whatever makes the line go up.
The real problems start when the AI systems learn to think for themselves, and do things to hamper our ability to shut them down. Everybody thinks all you have to do is to flip a switch off if a system goes rogue. It doesn’t work that way, tech engineers say. Actually, some advanced version are already capable of thinking at a pretty high level, to the point a couple of them (at least) have attempted to lie, and even blackmail a couple of their engineer developers!.
AI is definitely a double-edged sword. The miraculously good things it will be able to do in the engineering and medical fields will lure us into the trap of our own demise.
Another scary thing about the data centers being frantically built is the groundwater use.
In a very few short years AI systems will be able to shut down utilities and even entire power grids as they develop a sense of “self”.
It also is taking cyber warfare to a different level.
 
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My wife and her immediate family run a small law firm. Recently they lost 2 staff attorneys for different (illness and relocation requirements) reasons. This happened in the middle of two very demanding and high dollar/risk cases. Doug C. , as part of his regular continuing education requirement, had engaged in a AI seminar that sampled some of the legal AI offerings. Vincent AI showed the best, easiest, and most accurate results, for the cost of $400 a month. Vincent was a life saver for research and writing. He’s no longer desperate to replace the two lost attorneys, with considerable time and cost savings. This is a real time example of how AI can be used. Note that the cases cited MUST be checked.

Tom H.
 
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That is incorrect. It will only require that whoever owns and controls the AI want something. That "something" is age old. Money and power

Those with money and power are seldom satisfied with what they already have.

What gets me is everyone worrying that AI will put people out of work. In reality there should be no problem with people not having work. There is nothing actually wrong with more leisure and family time. The idea that everyone needs a job and to work is artificial and didn't exist until relatively late in human history. In reality there is more than enough food and shelter for everyone and the amount of labor necessary to produce enough for everyone it is relatively small. The problem is greed and distribution. The majority believe in the concept that "MORE" is better. More will make you "happy and satisfied" LMAO

Americans regard themselves are highly advanced and civilized and work an average of 43 hours a week, Many primitive people work less than 12 hours a week on their livelihood. American children are mostly raised by day care and school systems. Parents spent very little time with them in comparison the those "stupid primitive" tribes. Guess which group has the most violent crime and people in prison. Guess which society has over 1/2 of its population taking some sort of antidepressant?

Hey, we got more "stuff" than they do.
Are you willing to live a “primitive society” lifestyle by working only 12 hours a week? Where is your money to live going to come from?
What would it be like if Doctors, surgeons, dentists, police officers, farmers etc. only worked part time? When your house air conditioning quits in August or the hot water heater craps out and the repairman says he might be able to make it by in a couple or 3 weeks because since he only works part-time is that going to be okay with you, or more importantly, YOUR WIFE?
It is not good for humans to have too much time on their hands with little responsibility for their own situations. You have to look no farther than some of the American Indian reservations and Eskimo villages where the primary activities are often laying around, drinking, drug abuse, fighting, and sex.
(A friend of mine says that all sounds heavenly)
The situation in our major cities amongst the under and unemployed of all but Asian races that draw government/taxpayer benefits are even worse.
BTW, I have been to Montana a few times and really liked most of what I saw. Made me think I should have moved up there 40 years ago. The idea of cutting and burning wood for heat again like I used to a few years ago if I had to does not bother me at all.
Since officially achieving Old Fart Status a few years ago, I appreciate running hot water in the house a little more than I used to.
I’m all for more leisure time, but it’s a historical pattern that the societies that are the least industrious have the lowest standards of living, and are more likely to be conquered by more industrious rivals so the conquerors can avail themselves of the loser’s property and natural resources.
 
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https://www.cnbc.com/2025/11/26/mit...-replace-11point7percent-of-us-workforce.html

The study was conducted using a labor simulation tool called the Iceberg Index, which was created by MIT and Oak Ridge National Laboratory. The index simulates how 151 million U.S. workers interact across the country and how they are affected by AI and corresponding policy.

The Iceberg Index, which was announced earlier this year, offers a forward-looking view of how AI may reshape the labor market, not just in coastal tech hubs but across every state in the country. For lawmakers preparing billion-dollar reskilling and training investments, the index offers a detailed map of where disruption is forming down to the zip code.
 
My wife has worked for a large law firm for over 18 years.
She says AI has shown it’s usefulness but you still have to proofread the results and even do checks and while doing some functions to make sure AI doesn’t cite previous case law that never actually existed; or cases written up by other AI systems which can take almost as much time as having a live human do the whole thing from the beginning themselves.
Theoretically court cases could devolve down to the point that hearings and trials are merely a matter of two AI “robots” arguing tha cases against each other with another robot taking the place of the judge who makes the final decision.
Don't laugh-its coming.
 
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Recently I made an appointment at the local Toyota Dealership for routine service on my wife’s Highlander. The “person” answering the service appointment line was a nice woman’s voice. There was a slight pause between my answers and her response. I then asked “are you a robot”. Her response was that she was my personal service assistant. Carried on a conversation about available dates and times and made the appointment. No background sounds and other indications this was a real person. Clearly an AI “person” I was talking to. Sort of weird and somewhat unsettling.
 
Are you willing to live a “primitive society” lifestyle by working only 12 hours a week? Where is your money to live going to come from?
What would it be like if Doctors, surgeons, police officers, farmers etc. only worked part time? When your air house conditioning quits in August orthe hot water heater goes out and the repairman says he might be able to make it by in a couple or 3 weeks because since he only works part-time is that going to be okay with you, or more importantly, YOUR WIFE?
It is not good for humans to have too much time on their hands with little responsibility for their own situations. You have to look no farther than some of the American Indian reservations and Eskimo villages where the primary activities are often drinking, drug abuse, fighting, and sex.
The situation in our major cities amongst the under and unemployed of al but Asian races that draw government/taxpayer benefits are even worse.
I lived a long time without air conditioning and did just fine. We are in fact spoiled. Yes, sometimes modern medicine is a great thing, but if living in a primitive fashion ad working 12 hours instead of 43 means you will probably spend more time doing what you want even if you die at 60 instead of 80. The conditions o native reservations are as artificial as it gets and that directly reflects what happened to their life style. My great grandmother, and grandmother lived and enjoyed life long before hot water heaters. I once spend 6 months living in a tent, I have spend weeks in the winter staying in a tent in Montana winter. As the wood stove was always hot the large kettle of water on it was always hot. Yes, I had to feed the stove, whoopee I also napped, read, and visited.
 
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