ATF C&R List for 38/44s

[beagleye]

Can anyone help me with this? It seems that the ATF has the 38/44s cut off at in the 60,000 but all the other N frames are cut off in the 260,000 range. Is this a mistake or am I missing something.

Thanks, Pete

 

[wheelgun28]

If its 50 years old its C&R anyway so the list doesn't mean much?

 

[cgt4570]

This is a common mis-conception by many, including dealers!
The serial number range you mention only mattered when the list was first developed! At that time, those would have been 50 years old (If memory serves, it was in about 1986 when the Curio and Relic FFL was first offered). As WHEELGUN states, if a gun is 50 years old as of today, it's a C&R. There are other catagories that are in the list that aren't 50 years old yet. These include some of the commemoratives, etc. that have more intrinsic value than shooter value. The list also contains some guns that would otherwise be class 3 short barreled rifles or shotguns, etc. that due to their value as a collectible, have been listed.
I've had to re-educate several field agents (with the help of ATF in Atlanta) who were passing on bad information about the way a C&R item is defined.

 

[Muley Gil]

Since S&W keeps track of shipping dates, rather than manufacturing dates, the BATFE uses the shipping dates to determine the C&R status.

 

[Art Doc]

That list only includes guns that were qualified as C&R prior to being 50 years old. Once it hits 50, it's automatic.

But bear in mind that the jack booted thugs are now saying that if the gun is modified in any way it is no longer qualified. I just bought a 1931 Colt with a shortened barrel and the seller refused my C&R forcing me to pay for an FFL to receive it.

 

[Oyeboteb]

That list only includes guns that were qualified as C&R prior to being 50 years old. Once it hits 50, it's automatic.

But bear in mind that the jack booted thugs are now saying that if the gun is modified in any way it is no longer qualified. I just bought a 1931 Colt with a shortened barrel and the seller refused my C&R forcing me to pay for an FFL to receive it.

Interesting...

Where would one find the actual statute or ammendment or clause or whatever it is, in order to see what the actual wording is, which defines or outlines exceptions applying to 'modified' Guns which otherwise qualify under the C & R FFL License?

 

[kritter]

here ya go.......
http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-11/atf-p-5300-11.pdf

 

[cgt4570]

There was also clear clarification made in an FFL newsletter from 11/2008. Here's a link and the verbage:

http://www.atf.gov/publications/newsletters/ffl/ffl-newsletter-2008-11.pdf

SALES OF FIREARMS TO LICENSED COLLECTORS​

[FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman PSMT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times New Roman PSMT]Curio and Relic (C&R) firearms are defined as firearms that are of special interest to collectors by reason of some quality other than sporting use or as offensive or defensive weapons. To be recognized as curios or relics, firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
(a) Firearms that were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas thereof;
(b) Firearms that are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum that exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
(c) Any other firearms that derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.
Any person who desires to obtain a determination whether a particular firearm is a curio or relic shall submit a written request, in duplicate, for determination by the Director. (See 27 CFR 478.26.)
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[beagleye]

Thanks fellas

for the helpful info. I guess the thing I snagged on is why other N frames had a range that extended out to the 260s and the 38/44 also had a range but it was only into the 60s, but I guess the deal is that they just haven't updated the 38/44s in forever.