ATF maintaining illegal database?

[PALADIN85020]

This from JPFO in a recent e-mail bulletin:
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ALERT FROM JEWS FOR THE PRESERVATION OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP America's Aggressive Civil Rights Organization

November 4th 2009

JPFO ALERT: BATFE ACKNOWLEDGES A NATIONWIDE DATABASE OF GUN OWNERS.

"E-trace is a nationwide database maintained by the ATF that lists a firearm's first purchaser, date of purchase and the retailer from which it was purchased. The information is compiled from police records of gun purchases provided by local departments, but until today was only accessible by the ATF and the police department that provided it."

We have been telling you about this long standing national
registration scheme.

It's time for every gun owner to to notify every politician in America that a national registration of firearms will not be tolerated. You have two choices - save the 2A or destroy it. It's up to you.
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Here are the links for further information:

Governor Announces Historic Partnership with ATF to Trace Illegal Firearms

Did you really think it would never happen?

Open Letter to B.A.T.F.E. Head Kenneth Melson (Acting Director)

JPFO has exposed many BATFE wrongdoings. Here's a video you might find of interest:

JPFO - The Gang Movie Trailer- direct play

 

[m1gunner]

If you are a gun owner, the gov't knows about you.

There are so many searchable databases now that relate to guns, that it is impossible to avoid them.

Want some fun, go out and buy 3 or 4 handguns tomorrow from a dealer. Nothing illegal in most locals, but it does generate an extra report to F-troupe.

 

[5Wire]

Police in NH are no longer notified of firearm purchases. I sold all mine anyway. Can't remember the people's names...

 

[scattershot]

Me, too, 5wire. I want to be a good little Communist....

 

[7.62foryou]

ATF is at it again. I'm pretty sure this congress will not withhold funding like one of the past congress did.

 

[pharmer]

Did you really think the "call in" data is deleted in a timely fashion. If they can find files you deleted years ago on your hard drive, NOTHING is ever lost by the . gov. That is unless they want to. Joe

 

[PDL]

That rabid anti gun butt head we just un-elected here in NJ made a point of directing that all firearms sale info was provided to the BATF. But being a good liberal, the constitution and other legalities never entered his mind.

 

[WILDCATT]

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when the calls go in they dont say what gun,they ask about the buyer.so how do they get a list of first buyers???
they go to manufaturer and find distributer and then dealer they then have to go thru the dealers records to find the gun serial.I have been a FFL holder in past.and have friends as dealers.

 

[BobK]

I've been saying that for the last 8 years I have been a member here. Many members told me to wear a Tin Foil Hat. NOW..... do you guys believe me???? When was the last time the goverment destroyed useful information about it's citizens???? The only time "They can't recall", is when questioned about their own wrong doing!!!!!

Glenn Beck is exposing these idiots daily....and they aren't even ashamed!!!! I just watched Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" for the first time. He got my attention!!!! I plan on making this program a 'must see' for myself.

Wildcat, How come the gunshop owner reads the serial number over the phone..................and passes info about the gun and the buyer over the phone, to the ATF. We've already got Mass. registration required in this state. Things are so screwed up ......they couldn't find their own *** with both hands!!!!! Registration is just another government "wet dream". Bob

 

[straightshooter1]

BobK:

If the FFL, calling in the Background Check, NICS, or whatever you call it in your state, gives the serial number and info on the model, etc. of gun, it's a state thing (your state, that is) and it is not required by the Feds.

Here is Florida, it's just name, DOB, race, sex and Social Security number (if you choose to give it) along with whether you are a citizen and whether it is a handgun or long gun.

Nothing else.

Bob

 

[ladder13]

Same here in NY, no serial numbers.

 

[PALADIN85020]

BobK:

If the FFL, calling in the Background Check, NICS, or whatever you call it in your state, gives the serial number and info on the model, etc. of gun, it's a state thing (your state, that is) and it is not required by the Feds.

Here is Florida, it's just name, DOB, race, sex and Social Security number (if you choose to give it) along with whether you are a citizen and whether it is a handgun or long gun.

Nothing else.

Bob

When you purchase a gun from an FFL, you fill out a long sheet in which the gun and its serial number is definitely recorded. The gun can be traced to you by the feds through these forms. When the FFL goes out of business, all these forms go to ATF, and you can bet they keep them.

 

[MWAG]

FIREARM OWNERS PROTECTION ACT, MAY 1986

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Firearm Owners Protection Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The act also forbade the U.S. Government or any agency of it from keeping a registry directly linking non-National Firearms Act firearms to their owners, the specific language of this law ( Federal Law 18 U.S.C. 926 (2) (a)) being: No such rule or regulation prescribed after the date of the enactment of the Firearms Owners Protection Act may require that records required to be maintained under this chapter or any portion of the contents of such records, be recorded at or transferred to a facility owned, managed, or controlled by the United States or any State or any political subdivision thereof, nor that any system of registration of firearms, firearms owners, or firearms transactions or disposition be established. Nothing in this section expands or restricts the Secretary's authority to inquire into the disposition of any firearm in the course of a criminal investigation.

 

[perrazi]

since when did anything like rules, laws, and the like ever stop the government from doing whatever they want?