Attitudes are changing

[Armyphotog]

Yes and no. The people who were "on the fence" seem to be more interested in acquiring guns and learning to defend themselves, but the people who were vehemently opposed to guns have remained that way, and some have become even more extreme in their views, at least among the people that I know.

Oh, you're talking about the "liberals". There for a minute I got confused. I thought you were talking about "conservatives."

Labels are so single-minded to my point of view.

 

[old bear]

We got on the subject of gun control and he said, "I don't think people should have guns but I'm glad YOU do because if I ever needed one I could say, "Hey beach elvis, gimme a gun." Needless to say, for me to GIVE him one would end up almost as bad as if some of the armed nuts showed up.

That is a fairly common attitude, and I for one don't care for it one iota! If things really go bad my job is to protect my family and myself, and everyone else comes second and some come a distant second.

If a non gun owner feels the need for protection then it's their job to get one and learn to use it. I'm not the unofficial neighborhood enforcer/protector.

Again, I'm willing to do what I can to help anyone but I have my priorities.

 

[walnutred]

That is a fairly common attitude, and I for one don't care for it one iota! If things really go bad my job is to protect my family and myself, and everyone else comes second and some come a distant second.

I don't know. Back when sporterized Arisakas and Carcanos could be had for $25-$30 I tended to pick them up. Who knows, a sporterized Carcano and clip of ammo could be worth it's weight in gold to a Liberal some day.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

I'm a little more understanding about liberals. Most of them grew up in an age when public services were all the rage. From fixing their car, a washing machine, lawnmower, etc, to security (the 911 mentality) help was just a phone call away. Why own a tool kit, or a gun? Most of these folks have never had to change their own car tire and probably wouldn't know how. Now it's dawning on these folks that perhaps the police are not able to provide a quick enough response, that more and more bad guys are on the streets, and maybe, just maybe, they should look into doing something for their own protection. That's where we come in. People who, in the past, looked down at us (gun owners) are now starting to look at us in a different way, people who accept responsibility for their own (and their families) safety. There will always be some liberals living in secure, gated communities that will never accept guns. For those living nearer the "action" their attitudes are changing, or soon will. The speed of their attitude change will depend on the how quickly society changes, and in what way.

 

[Gutpile Charlie]

I agree with the person that said that double action revolvers were the answer.

I carry a snubbie M36 and my wife has an identical M60 with the Crimson Trace grips.

I've got every type of firearm available for home defense and concealed carry, I but feel a lot more comfortable with the easy of use and the inherent safety of the double action design. I also have the experience necessary to safely use any kind of firearm, however I choose the double action revolver.

My wife cannot operate the slide of most semi-automatics. Some, I think are inherently dangerous, the Glock type to be specific. They are perfectly safe if you exercise due diligence, but let that slip and you are a statistic.

Semi autos that do not let you see a hammer or a striker are nothing but range toys has far as I am concerned.

Years ago I knew a woman who died as the result of a self inflicted gunshot wound....because she simply did not understand how the firearm operated. True, it was her fault, but she was handling something that she knew nothing about, and he proved to be fatal.

 

[jtpur]

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Riots of 1972 found many "Left Wingers" had "Converted" to "Right Wing Conservatives" and now had the means to protect their homes and family.

A liberal is nothing more than a conservative who has never had his home broken into, been mugged on the street or had his wife, mother, sister or daughter raped. when that happens he not only becomes a conservative, he becomes in favor of the death penaltity, life without parole, and buys himself one or two guns.

 

[Muddyboot]

God help us the day lead becomes more valuable than gold, as that will be a very bad day. Except for the fact we will all be considered rich.

 

[quneur]

If people want to carry a gun, all states should be shall issue. A concealed carry permit should be like a drivers' license accepted in all 50 states, just like a drivers license.

Sorry for bringing up an older thread but I like 27145 proposal. But in order for something like that to work it would have to be at the federal level and I think states won't relinquish control (CA & IL).

What would you think of a two level system? First level would be at the state level. What you enjoy/or don't have now.

The second would at the federal level. Perhaps, involving limited ammo, and having to take an NRA-directed but federally sponsored class. This would be for all 50 states instead of this patchwork of 'is my ccw valid here?'.

But this would probably create problems. The antis would probably say the federal program is good enough (for their state). While gun owners would say the federal program don't do enough.

 

[gregintenn]

Oh, you're talking about the "liberals". There for a minute I got confused. I thought you were talking about "conservatives."

Labels are so single-minded to my point of view.

Huh?

 

[5Wire]

If people want to carry a gun, all states should be shall issue. A concealed carry permit should be like a drivers' license accepted in all 50 states, just like a drivers license.

I hear what you're saying, but a driver's license, they'll tell you, is a privilege, being armed is a Right, like Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, no permit required. I think that's the way it should be.

 

[HOUSTON RICK]

Texas Bumper Sticker: Do not ask what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for yourself.

That includes protection, even grannies carry guns here.

 

[27145]

I hear what you're saying, but a driver's license, they'll tell you, is a privilege, being armed is a Right, like Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, no permit required. I think that's the way it should be.

5 I understand where you are coming from. The way I see it, it is not the 1700's anymore. I wouldnt want to live in an apartment building and have some dope who does not know how to handle a firearm accidentally discharge a round through my ceiling.
I feel a one time safety course would help avoid that. It won't mean that you are good with a weapon, but at least you have the basics. Just like getting a drivers license when you are a kid, it doesnt mean you are a good driver, it means you met the basic standards.
I am retired, but when I was on the job I felt good when I saw a conceal carry permit. To me the person was vetted and was tantamount to me seeing a police id and shield.

There are some parts of the Country where kids learn how to handle a firearm at an early age. They don't need training, so they would sail through a safety course.

Most cops want to get to the scene of an incident and protect people from harm. Unfortunately it rarely happens, by the time a 911 call is made and the police respond, it is too late. This is why I want people to have a firearm to protect themselves.

Too many areas like NY and NJ have "may issue" permits. This is so corrupt. If you "know someone" or are a celebrity, you get it.

 

[rondo]

Yes, I have noticed.

Rational people understand, their attitudes will change.

My sister and BIL are irrational anti-gun libs who would rather die on their knees than even touch a gun. I don't get it, but that's just how it is. It does makes for some interesting conversation during holiday get-togethers. Funny thing is I'm not the one who brings the subject up in the first place. First it's guns then it's politics. Someone usually ends up in tears, and it 'aint me.

 

[Steve in Vermont]

Rational people understand, their attitudes will change.

My sister and BIL are irrational anti-gun libs who would rather die on their knees than even touch a gun. I don't get it, but that's just how it is. It does makes for some interesting conversation during holiday get-togethers. Funny thing is I'm not the one who brings the subject up in the first place. First it's guns then it's politics. Someone usually ends up in tears, and it 'aint me.

One thing life teaches is that when you truly believe in something you're not bothered by the positions of others who disagree with you. You don't end up in tears because you understand and believe in guns. Others tear up because they are afraid you might be right. Most people who don't own/use guns are ambivalent towards them, however.

 

[BLACKHAWKNJ]

Attitudes have been changing for years. Slick Willie admitted that the AWB contributed heavily to the shift of control of Congress in 1994. I note the range where I do most of my shooting is well patronized by persons "of color" and a fair number of recent immigrants and naturalized citizens who have clearly embraced the 2nd Amendment as part of their American Heritage. I note when the NRA shows its usual picture of who the NRA represents they use a picture of a black woman to illustrate the idea of CCW.

 

[jtpur]

Rational people understand, their attitudes will change.

My sister and BIL are irrational anti-gun libs who would rather die on their knees than even touch a gun. I don't get it, but that's just how it is. It does makes for some interesting conversation during holiday get-togethers. Funny thing is I'm not the one who brings the subject up in the first place. First it's guns then it's politics. Someone usually ends up in tears, and it 'aint me.

Just invite them to go shooting to see what its like. You can tell them that they should at least see what it is like, what kind of people go there and such...same arguments as those who want you to try some dope use...."Welll dude....how can you say it should be illegal until you try it dude..,..... "

I never argue with people I just say something like, "so if I understand what you are saying is that you would rather be killed than defend yourself with a gun is that correct? If they say yes, I ask them if they feel I should also be killed rather than defend myself with a gun.... and if they say yes, I simply say that its their body they can do with it what they want and its my body and I choose to defend it rather than die early.

 

[jtpur]

Attitudes have been changing for years. Slick Willie admitted that the AWB contributed heavily to the shift of control of Congress in 1994. I note the range where I do most of my shooting is well patronized by persons "of color" and a fair number of recent immigrants and naturalized citizens who have clearly embraced the 2nd Amendment as part of their American Heritage. I note when the NRA shows its usual picture of who the NRA represents they use a picture of a black woman to illustrate the idea of CCW.

Back when it was illegal to carry concealed and permits were hardly ever issued, especially not to minorities, I arrested a person of color for carring a concealed firearm. Of course I asked him if he had a permit and he said, "Officer no one is going to give me a permit." I said, well you should not carry it then." He said, "Officer, You have a gun and you dont even live in this neighborhood, try living here and try it without that gun." His point came across loud and clear and it was perhaps a shinning moment of clarity for me. I still had to make the arrest but I chose to charge him with a misdemeanor city ordinance violation rather than the State violation which was a felony. Least I could do for him. He had no criminal record. He was an older man trying to take a walk and stay alive doing it. I to this day wished I had never charged him at all.