ATTN. 10XX Auto Owners, Production Has Started - .40 S&W & .357 SIG Barrels

[bad_man_ one]

Another progress report on the conversion barrel

Please read all the way to the bottom as you will need to decide how you would like yours to "fit".

All the chambers will be machined to "Match Quality" specifications
in .40 S&W with a 1-16" (6 Groove) twist per SAAMI/ANSI Specs,
(Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute, Inc. / American National Standards Institute)

I have made the decision to make the initial run of 60 barrels total.
30 pieces will be with a 5.00" length for the 1006, 1026 and 1046 and 30 pieces with a 4.25" length for the 1066, 1076 and 1086.

They will be made using Crucible 416R Stainless Steel.
You can look it up on their web site here.
Crucible Selector - Crucible 416R
It is a hardenable chromium Stainless Steel particularly suited for use in high quality precision barrels.
The attainable hardness of Crucible 416R is guaranteed to RC35 minimum.

Typical Chemistry
Carbon 0.12%
Chromium 12.50%
Manganese 0.40%
Phosphorus 0.03%
Sulfur 0.13%
Silicon 0.40%
Molybdenum 0.40%

Now, here it is:
Because I had to substantially rework a "DROP IN" Bar-Sto barrel for my 1006 in 9 m.m. x 23 m.m. Winchester to make it fit.
Read post #5, your results may vary depending on the ammo and/or the load/bullet combination you shoot.
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...175503-1006-1026-1046-9mm-x-23mm-356-tsw.html

With the manufacturing tolerances that Smith and Wesson use, there are four ways to supply the barrel.
Question is which way would you prefer it?

1. Drop-in means more clearance to fit all the guns, no guarantee of the accuracy but it will be no worse than the accuracy equivalent to the factory barrel.

2. Semi drop-in, the spherical diameter on the muzzle end would be left oversize by .002 to be polished in by you,
just need to spin it in a "devise" and polished to fit with as little as 600 grit silicon carbide sandpaper or as little as a "Scotch-Brite" pad.

3. You can send in your complete slide and barrel assembly and your barrel will be match fitted with aerospace gauges that measure as small as .0001",
the breach face locking lug, barrel/slide locking lugs and muzzle spherical end fit to your barrel bushing all in your slide, as I did with my 9x23 Bar-Sto.

4. You can send in your gun, it includes #3 and the bottom lugs will be fit to the frame and slide release lever locking pin for a total match lock-up.
The manufacturing facility that I am working with is an FFL manufacturing shop. I also did this with my 9x23 Bar-Sto.
You can see all my results for a custom fit in the link above.

Regards,
BM1

 

[bad_man_ one]

Many have replied, BUT, some were not specific about model designation and caliber combination?
The first run is for both 5.00" and 4.25" 10XX series, ONLY 30 OF EACH, that's it for the first run.
When their gone, their all gone.
The material/barrel blanks will be ordered Monday.

So, based on those that were specific, I was able to make some kind of tally, so far.
12 pcs. - .40 S&W for the 1006/1026/1046 Series
7 pcs. - .40 S&W for the 1066/1076/1086 Series

It's still early for the .357 SIG, but based on this, I'm thinking it does not look like this is going to happen in any kind of quantity.
I would just order a couple .355 bore barrel blanks for the SIG and just make a few for myself,
it would be better making more of each, like I'm doing with the .40 S&W.

If I get a better response then the .357 SIG would be next.
8 pcs. - .357 SIG for the 1006/1026/1046 Series
2 pcs. - .357 SIG for the 1066/1076/1086 Series

After that maybe the .357 SIG for the 4006, 40XX series and a few for the 4013.
Although in doing a little more research 40XX series, there were multiple barrel part numbers for them also.
Also the 4013, I find that there were three different models and six different barrels.
You would have to either, send yours in or send a blueprint or describe in detail all the dimensions so I can compare mine as a reference.
Maybe in the future, with the help of the forum members that have the different barrels,
I can establish a data base and identify the different part numbers of each by a quick dimensional check.
5 pcs. - .357 SIG so far.

Please,
If you responded but were not specific, I need the specific detail about the model designation and caliber combination that you would be interested in.
PLEASE DO SO NOW.
You are not being held to it, I just need some kind of numbers to "shoot" for.
I have no fear that when they are all done that they will all go, this may only happen once in my lifetime.
I am expending quite allot of time and $$$$ with the reverse engineering of these and I do not want to disappoint anybody here.

Regards,
BM1

 

[martyj]

I would be interested in one but if all goes right would really like the 9X25 dillon

 

[remat457]

For me option 1 is preferred but option 2 is acceptable. What is the projected cost? 1066 is probably my first choice. thanks

 

[bad_man_ one]

I would be interested in one but if all goes right would really like the 9X25 dillon

That would not be a problem once I start the 9 m.m. production.
You have the advantage that I would like one myself also.

For me option 1 is preferred but option 2 is acceptable. What is the projected cost? Depending on that, I will probably need to choose 06 vs 66. thanks

I'm going to try to hold the cost at no more than $225.00, I'm hoping it will be much less.

I just spent $200.00 on a Bar-Sto, 9 m.m. x 23 m.m. Winchester and had to rework the heck out of it because it did not fit, never mind function.
No fault of the forum member that I bought it from.
He told me that there were no guarantees and I agreed to it knowing full well that I can re-machine anything with the equipment that I have available.

If the numbers of sales just aren't there, then I'll have to sell them for the value that I have into them.
At that point we will not see this kind of undertaking ever again.
Metaphorically speaking, I will not hand them out with a $50.00 or $100.00 bill wrapped around each one of them as a gift, I have to cover my costs.
I'm doing this because I want to, there is no profit in this for me, I think everyone needs to understand this.

I am going to hold off ordering the .40 barrel blanks for least a week.
I was going to place the order Monday for 15, 22'' barrel blanks, that would make 60 pcs., 30-5.00" and 30 4.25",
(I loose 2.00" worth of material on one end for the button riffling tools to start the cut properly).
Because of the massive lugs of the 10 m.m. barrel, 1.500" stock in 416R Stainless Steel has to be used, 1.400 by design but not available.

I need to know if the $225.00 (MAXIMUM) price will work for you guys.
If that is not acceptable, then, I'm truly sorry, it's over before it starts.

You keep me posted and I will keep you posted.
Regards,
BM1

 

[4506517]

Ill take one in 40 for the 1006. As long as it is made to be a drop in fit, I'm in. I don't have the tools, time, or talent to take it any other way. Just let me know where to send the money order.

 

[bad_man_ one]

I have to put this back to the top of the postings, I will do it daily if no one responds to keep it on top.

Please read post #45, I need more replies on the price before this project can commence.
The amount of money that I will be putting front here is substantial.
I need those replies/comments on the $225.00 price…………….

And,
Another option that was brought to my attention by a forum member is a 10 m.m. Match Grade fitted barrel.

Yes it is option, one I had not thought of.
All the operations will be done using CNC (Computer Numerical Controlled) equipment.
The chambers are single point bored using a rough and finishing carbide boring tool.
At that point in the production process it's just a slight program change.
I would contact you when we are at that point in the production.

I need to know if the $225.00 (MAXIUM) price for a DROP IN barrel will work for you guys.
If that is not acceptable, then, I'm truly sorry, it's over before it starts.

You keep me posted and I will keep you posted.
I really need the feedback here……………………..
Regards,
BM1

 

[FirebirdV8]

$225 max price works for me.

 

[9146gt]

Count me in for two barrels, $225 is good for me.

Tom

 

[4506517]

I will pay $225 for a .40 barrel, drop in, for a 1006. Just let me know when and where to send the postal money order.

Thanks for your efforts.

 

[MikeSteen]

I will be glad to pay up to $225. for a drop in .40 s&w barrel for my 1076. Thanks so much 4 your hard work on this. Mike

 

[Desert Dog]

^^^ Ditto. Another 1076 owner happy to pay you $225 for a .40 S&W drop-in barrel. Very much appreciate your efforts on our collective behalf.

I contacted Bar-Sto about a group purchase and was told 50 orders would be required (as mentioned elsewhere in this Forum). Price was $193.25 plus S&H with a 10% discount. For me the price difference is negligable, but the lack of stronger interest is a bit disappointing. Given the decided edge in cheap practice ammo a .40 S&w barrel provides, combined with the lack of other viable options for a barrel swap, I honestly thought there would be MUCH greater interest than has been shown thus far.

Tip 'o cap to BM1. Hope you can at least get one run completed.

 

[snowcat]

Count me in on a 4 3/4" & 5", 40 cal. with drop in option #1.
$225.00 is fine with me.

 

[rhealer]

I'm in for both barrels, 40 cal and 357 sig, for a 1026

 

[Tinygnat219]

Count me in for a .40 S&W Barrel for my 1076 as well. Very interested in this project!

 

[bad_man_ one]

Good news, getting a little closer

The emails are coming in and I'm also seeing some more replies to the post.

So the good news is, the precision barrel blanks were ordered today, both in .40 S&W and some 9's.

These length quantities with chamber combinations may vary slightly prior to the commitment of sawing them into the lengths needed for the production run.
The chamber dimensions are the last thing to be machined.

A poll will surely be needed to be taken to figure this one out.

In the .40 / 10mm, I will be able to make;
28 to 30 pcs. – 5.00" Lengths for 1006, 1026 and 1046
and
42 to 45 pcs. – 4.25" Lengths for 1066, 1076 and 1086

Or,
42 to 45 pcs. – 5.00"
and
28 to 30 pcs. – 4.25"
Or, some mix in between depending how I cut up the 26" barrel blanks.

And also in the - .357 SIG / 9x23 Winchester / 9x25 Dillon;
18 to 21 – 5.00"
and,
12 to 14 – 4.25"
Or some mix here also.

I will start a poll that will allow me to make a better decision to the production commitment.
Please look for it and respond, I do not know if you can vote for two or three barrels.
But it will give me another way to tally the counts besides the replies to this post.
Regards,
BM1

 

[panther96]

Put me down for a 4.25 inch barrel for the 1066 at the $225 or less price.
Thanks for your efforts BM1, this is quite an endeavor and I'm looking forward to owning a piece of it.

 

[USMC586]

Was there not enough interest in the 4006 barrel in .357 sig to go forth with that production?

 

[bad_man_ one]

Was there not enough interest in the 4006 barrel in .357 sig to go forth with that production?

USMC586,
It's just the .40 S&W and in .357 SIG in the 10XX series are the ones that are in more demand to start.
I've got about 10 that want a .357 SIG barrel for the 4006, I will be doing those also, but after the 10XX series run.
Regards,
BM1

 

[Rock185]

Hello, I'd be interested in a .357 SIG barrel for my 1026. I would also be interested in a barrel chambered in 9X19mm. I realize that second choice would not be considered very practical or useful but I 'd like to try it just for fun/curiosity/"in the interest of science", etc. I would prefer the #2/semi-drop in type. I would like to fit the spherical end, as you mentioned, and the hood to breech face to minimum dimensions myself. Headspace held close to minimum would be a big plus to me.