B-27 and other law enforcement targets

[growr]

Maybe some LEO's/Academy trainers can answer this question for me......

Why is the X ring located at what would be the bottom of the sternum and not where the numeral 9 is located? The printed 9 as an aiming point seems much more logical to me...Seems like if you are shooting for score that the X ring should be relocated so that your training for the same spot.

Just wondering about this.

Randy

 

[texmex]

Bottom of the sternum because that is usually considered "center mass".

 

[tray999]

Very few law enforcement agency's today use the b-27 target. Most use a variation of the FBI's Q-target. As Texmex stated, law enforcement agencies train for center mass hits and have their qualifying targets designed for that training mind set.

Hope that helps... Retired law enforcement firearms instructor.

 

[elpac3]

B-27

A little high and you are in the chest
A little left and you take out the liver
A little right and there goes the spleen
A little low and ther goes the aorta

 

[Sconnie]

Bottom of the sternum because that is usually considered "center mass".

First thing that came to mind for me too. Although the term center mass was replaced with something else as I was leaving. I don't recall what the term was now.

Never heard of or seen an FBI Q target but I have been gone 8 years so I can't say what is in current use.

 

[NYlakesider]

B-27

A little high and you are in the chest
A little left and you take out the liver
A little right and there goes the spleen
A little low and ther goes the aorta

A often used quote about aiming point that was used back when I was shooting PPC was.

For defensive shooting. "Put your shots in 3 buttons down"

 

[Mike in Reedley]

Seems to me that B 27 targets were more a product of PPC rather than some LE trainers idea. When I started out (1976) we were using the FBI silhouette target, with the suspects hand on his hip. I've been told the target was was created by the FBI and fashioned after the silhouette of John Dillinger when he was public enemy #1.

 

[StakeOut]

During my 1st few years on the NYPD the firearms training was on bullseye targets before the switch to the one with the armed man known as "The Thug" or B-60.

Real-life inspiration for paper target in firearms training dies - NY Daily News

The RAND Corp. study of NYPD handgun training

 

[Muss Muggins]

Everybody I know uses a TQ-19 or a B-21 or something similar.

 

[texmex]

B-27

A little high and you are in the chest
A little left and you take out the liver
A little right and there goes the spleen
A little low and there goes the aorta

If you start out shooting center mass, your shots tend to climb as you continue shooting. The chances of disabling a person just keep increasing. Hitting the Solar Plexus usually takes the wind out of them which tends to degrade their accuracy and concentration. With adequate penetration, the spine may be hit. As your shots continue to climb, they may hit heart, lungs, major blood vessels, cervical spine, medulla oblongata and cerebellum. This is combat shooting, not target shooting. The basics of sight alignment, trigger squeeze and breath control should have already been learned before advancing to drawing and multiple shots. Sight alignment and breath control may not be a factor if the range is extremely close, but basic marksmanship and confidence in your equipment and yourself are absolutely essential. You have to be competent in walking before your run. You don't teach your kid how to ride a bicycle by giving him a Suzuki Hayabusa.

 

[Muley Gil]

The Federal Protective Service, the part of Homeland Security that is responsible for all Federal buildings, uses the ICE target.

 

[jdh]

FBOP and FLETC uses the Transtar II.