Bad Stuff Going On Around Here.

[m657]

re: "Until society as a whole decides to weed out the losers, the rest of
us will just have to make it difficult for them to get what they want."

Every farmer and rancher knows there are culls in their crop, and knows what has to be done.

Whether that can or will be applied to our social conventions, so far such action has been deferred in favor of other theoretical solutions.

 

[JcMack]

I'm not shocked anymore but certainly dismayed at what is happening in our liberal land. Last month a guy was stealing eggs on what passes for a small farm about 15 miles east. He found 2 males bodies that the legs were sticking out of on a 15' pile of horse manure. Guys were eventually identified (glad I'm not into forensics) as drug guys from about 10 miles north of here.

 

[brown10]

I read somewhere that we still have some choices in this great country, some of which are what we want to be -

Sheep – Unarmed folk who are preyed upon
Wolves – Those that would prey upon the sheep
Shepherds – Those of us who choose not be preyed upon and who may choose to help protect the sheep.

I have many friends who are LEOs and one son who is a K9 officer. I respect them very much and the dangerous job they do. They seem to focus on investigating the “incident” and catching the wolves after the incident is over.

 

[Badkarma 1]

I read somewhere that we still have some choices in this great country, some of which are what we want to be -

Sheep – Unarmed folk who are preyed upon
Wolves – Those that would prey upon the sheep
Shepherds – Those of us who choose not be preyed upon and who may choose to help protect the sheep.

I have many friends who are LEOs and one son who is a K9 officer. I respect them very much and the dangerous job they do. They seem to focus on investigating the “incident” and catching the wolves after the incident is over.

You forgot one other:"Trained Wolves" People like myself who have been trained to find, close with, and destroy wolves! Dale

 

[nawilson]

They seem to focus on investigating the “incident” and catching the wolves after the incident is over.

Absolutely true... The job of law enforcement is to address the issues after the fact. In order for a crime to be committed and an arrest to be made, the criminal must actually do something first. I am sure no one on here would support the idea of preventative incarceration... I sure don't want the government doing that.

We must remember that government is a creation of society. As Jeff Cooper said, we get the government we deserve. Also, the creation cannot fix its creator. Until we as a society decide that we will not tolerate these outrages and that we will do what is necessary to stop them, the outrages will continue.

 

[shooboy]

My wife's boss lost his aunt and uncle to a drug addicted ***. They were in their 80's and their grandaughter's boyfriend needed a fix, so he killed them both. He got away with $40....... These kind of scum should suffer a quick but painful death instead of being allowed to breathe, what possible benefit could they be to society ??? Shoo

 

[Steve in Vermont]

So what is our alternative? Our Constitution is designed to protect everyone, including the minority from the "tyranny of the majority". Many of us don't trust our government as things are now. Would we trust them any more if we had fewer constitutional rights? Do we give the government more power? I guess we can say, about the rules of law, "can't live with them, can't live without them". Some problems just don't have solutions, just alternatives.

 

[K.38]

So what is our alternative? Our Constitution is designed to protect everyone, including the minority from the "tyranny of the majority". Many of us don't trust our government as things are now. Would we trust them any more if we had fewer constitutional rights? Do we give the government more power? I guess we can say, about the rules of law, "can't live with them, can't live without them". Some problems just don't have solutions, just alternatives.

Sir, I don't think giving the gov more power is the answer either but giving the people back their power is. What I mean by power back to the people is self-defense across the nation, deciding on a local level what is taught in school, being able to pray in school at ball games or where ever you want without some gov idiot or lib bringing a law suit against the person. Basically the power needs to be in the hands of the citizen and not the gov, ie. dept of ed etc.
We need to get back to what our founders gave us.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

My wife's boss lost his aunt and uncle to a drug addicted ***. They were in their 80's and their grandaughter's boyfriend needed a fix, so he killed them both. He got away with $40....... These kind of scum should suffer a quick but painful death instead of being allowed to breathe, what possible benefit could they be to society ??? Shoo

Come on. You already answered your own question. Such a person can conceivably be of considerable benefit to society if he suffers a painful and well-publicized death as a direct and predictable result of his crime.

Everyone has a purpose in life, even if only to serve as a bad example.

 

[nawilson]

Amen, Model520fan! A wise man once told me that there is no such thing as a useless Soldier... even the most sorry one can serve as an example. The same holds true for the rest of society.

I do firmly believe that government is not the solution. As I said earlier, the creation cannot fix he creator. Until we as a society decide that we will not tolerate the insanity, things will continue to get worse.

 

[Rule 303]

If you want a true read on crime in your berg or area, ask several of the "men on the street", if they are allowed to tell you the truth. Some Departments have rules agains decimination of that kind of information.

Politics, you know.

Rule 303

 

[Sebago Son]

Come on. You already answered your own question. Such a person can conceivably be of considerable benefit to society if he suffers a painful and well-publicized death as a direct and predictable result of his crime.

Everyone has a purpose in life, even if only to serve as a bad example.

"....well-publicized death.."

To that I would add "timely", as in within a period of time when all the members of the community can remember the crime and feel that justice was SERVED, not PERVERTED.

 

[Tunachaser]

I had to call the police on a neighbor for stealing some prescription drugs, seams she was addicted to pain killers. now her youngest darling daughter is threating my wife with retaliation.......sad times indeed.

 

[Sebago Son]

Tuna...

Take some hard earned advice... Create a paper trail, and get a copy of the report. Don't think that it's insignificant and not advise the police. If the situation escalates having your report on file will give the police more options...

Just sayin'...

Drew

 

[5Wire]

Problem with these stats are that reporting is voluntary from the local agencies. New Orleans Police for instance are notorious for mis classifying crimes they report to make the city seem safer. I can tell you this-over the past 5 years the "quality" of our criminal element has progressivly gotten better. By that I mean that we are getting some REAL thugs. Scary stuff out there and it's getting worse. Total amorality which is the biggest problem. At least immoral pre-supposes that they know what is right and choose not to do it. The amorality we see now is truly disheartning as a whole generation has no idea of the concept of right and wrong. It has truly become a jungle out there and the only thing I see that would stop it is a total abandonment of our rule of law by enforcement agencies ratified by the public. Nobody has the stomach for that......................yet

Whatever faults there may be in the politics of reporting, if there is a better source, I'd like to know what it is. Absent a more reliable source, the UCR and the other Department of Justice data comprises a big chunk of the information we citizens and criminal justice educators have to work with. Suspect or insufficient data are noted in what I've seen.

I'm not in the trenches, as you are, but I do believe the basic trending information is reasonably reliable, not 100%, but useful nonetheless.

 

[white cloud]

One advantagge of old age is seeing things in a different perspective.I grew up in a small Southern town in the 1930's and 1940's.The depression was still going on and nobody had much money,little or no Government help,(therefore no AC,cell phones and food stamps,cable TV etc.,but thats another story).Until I heard of a black on black Satutday night throat cutting all other knowlege of murder was what I learned in Sunday School with Cain and Able.No doors were ever locked and windows were left open.The first experience I had with stealing was when another kid stole my Pirate cap pistol.He grew up to have trouble in the Navy and later became a lawyer,then disbarred for misusing an old lady's funds.
In a nutshell poverty doesn't breed crime,lack of moral upbringing does.
Every morning in school we had a devotional and scripture,pledge of allegience and were scared to death or respected our teachers.We were blessed not to have TV.The heroes wore white hats.In grammar school if you had frisked us you might find a pocket knife,a couple or so 22 cal. cartridges,a fire cracker or two and some "kitchen" matches.Now you would be kicked out for any of these or the Bible.

you sir, are correct.