Battle of Little Big Horn anniv. today

There 24 MOH's awarded for the battle so we had brave soldiers there doing their duty.

No doubt.

However, consider the political implications from that massacre and the need to provide some off-setting factor.

A similar example would be the number of VC's to the survivors of the 24th at Rorke's Drift after the debacle at Islandlwana less than 3 years later.
 
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Glorious moment for the United States Army, but all you have to do is read "My Life on the Plains" to realize what am arrogant jerk Custer was. Two things come to mind: (1) He had a tent erected so his dogs that accompanied him on a winter campaign would stay warm while the infantry slept in the snow and (2) he deserted his command to go back and see Libby.

All told though, I still got chills when the Division band played "Garry Owen" when I was in 1st Cav Division.
 
All told though, I still got chills when the Division band played "Garry Owen" when I was in 1st Cav Division.

If there is a more perfect get-the-blood-up, piece of riding music, I have yet to hear it.
 
Custer was a POS. but if Benteen had joined the battle when he was supposed to maybe there would have been a better chance, or better odds

I disagree. Benteen could have done nothing to save Custer, and is actually the hero of the day.
According to the few Indian accounts that survive, mainly through the efforts of Dr. Marquis, the battle lasted "about as long as it takes a man to eat his dinner." Benteen could not have even gotten to Custer hill before they were dead in all probability.
His cool thinking and leadership on Reno hill definitely saved the day, and the lives in that group.

Custer was an egotistic fool. He thought himself destined for greatness, and had led a charmed life,usually benefitted by circumstances in battle. No doubt he was brave- to a fault.
When his Crow scouts found the village, part of it was not visible because of the terrain. It is most likely the largest gathering of Plains Indians that had ever occured. What the scouts could see was the pony herd, and they were astounded by its size. They kept telling Custer "BIG village" to no avail. Instead of waiting for the other units he was supposed to rendevous with, he wanted to attack "before they slipped away". Yeah, right!
MOST of the Crow scouts slipped away rather than ride with Custer to their certain deaths..........

Most of the CMH's awarded were given to the water bearers in this group of survivors- men who exposed themselves to travel down the hill to the creek for water- numerous times over the course of the two day battle on Reno hill. It was said that all suffered terribly from thirst, especially the wounded, on that hot hill with no overhead cover.

One of the most perplexing things about the battle is Reno's lackluster performance when attacking the village from the South. I understand his dismay when met with overwhelming numbers just after crossing the creek, but I don't get his confusion and indecisiveness in the ensuing fight in the woods and the panic rout recrossing the creek to Reno hill. The man had an excellent record in the Civil War, having always performed well. He had FIVE horses shot from under him in that war! I can only assume he had been totally unnerved when Bloody Knife's (Indian scout) brains and blood were blown into his face in the fight in the woods.

The myth persists that the Indians were well armed with every manner of NEW repeater. Again, through the accounts relayed through Dr. Marquis from actual participants, it just ain't so. At best, they had a few Springfields and a Colt or two taken when they whipped Crook on the Rosebud a few weeks earlier. There MAY have been a few Winchesters. Bear in mind most had just jumped the reservation a few weeks or months earlier, and had been on the run since. Where did fugitives in the middle of the wilderness acquire the most modern firearms on the market?
According to the Indians, the tactic that whipped Custer was INDIRECT fire. The Indians crawled up the numerous gullies, covered from fire by the troopers, and shot ARROWS in high arcs that came down on the troopers. There were probably 1000-1500 warriors using this tactic, possibly more. Custer had around 228 souls as I recall.

Form the way the bodies were found in one gully, it is possible that a squad or two from E troop (the Grays) had become isolated and surrounded. Some Indian accounts say some of these men committed suicide from fear of being taken alive and tortured. A mystery hidden in the mists of time......

The Indians were impressed with one officer enough to pass on an account of his bravery. A Capt was shot from his horse, the bullet apparently breaking his leg and renedring him incapable of standing. They said he sat calmly beneath his wounded horse, fighting with his revolver till he was killed or died. This may have been Capt. Myles Keogh.

25 years ago, I collected and dealt in rare and out-of-print books. At that time, Custer's last fight had more books written about it than any other specific battle in the history of the world with ONE exception.
Can anyone guess which battle that battle would be? ;)
 
Agreed.

He was also out-gunned. His men had the POS "Trapdoor" Springfield; a single-shot cobbled from obsolete 1861/3 Springfield muzzle-loaders. In addition to being issued a single-shot against repeating rifles, his men had problematic ammunition that would often not eject.
I just finished reading "American Rifle" by Alexander Rose, and he mentioned this. A little known fact is that many (though certainly not all) of the Indians were using firearms superior to what most in Custer's army had.

Superior armament and superior numbers make for a tough opponent.
 
25 years ago, I collected and dealt in rare and out-of-print books. At that time, Custer's last fight had more books written about it than any other specific battle in the history of the world with ONE exception.
Can anyone guess which battle that battle would be? ;)

I'd bet it's Gettysburg.

Waterloo and Thermoplyae would be my next two, distant, guesses.
 
I'd bet it's Gettysburg.

Waterloo and Thermoplyae would be my next two, distant, guesses.

An excellent guess, and you are close enough.
Waterloo.
Probably because so many nations were deeply involved. That means writers in more countries had an interest, and they had six decades longer to write about it.
 
Handejector,

Good description of the battle, and better description of Custer. His men were just the 'means' of getting his 'ends' (the Presidency). He had no respect for his soldiers, and little regard for their safety. The Indians he viewed as illiterate sub-humans. He was brave, but it takes more than bravery to make a great leader.

PS, you write very well.
 
I've been working my way through Terry C. Johnston's Plainsmen novels about the Indian wars of the 1860's and 70's. Brings to mind the Fetterman Massacre nine years earlier. Tradition has it that many of those soldiers also committed suicide during the battle of the "hundred in the hand". Another case of an arrogant officer leading his men to their death.

I'd like to head out to WY and MT later this summer or fall and visit some of those sites. We stopped by the Beecher Island site last spring in eastern CO. It sure makes a person stop and think. . .
 
What surprised me the most was how spread out the markers were, and how they trailed across the fields until the "last stand" spot.

You could imagine how the men were running for their lives and how they were shot down a few at a time. My visit was very sobering for me. I will never forget it.
 

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I went to the battlefield on my way to California back in the summer of 1977. Everybody is right about how spread out Custer's troops were. I went up to Reno hill and did the canteen run down to the Little big Horn like the MOH guys did, but of course nobody was shooting at me. I got down to the creek/river and made a crossing over to the indian village side. It wasn't too deep, maybe up to my knees at the most. I got over the Indian Village side and decided to walk around and got yelled at by a real Indian saying it was private property and no tresspassing. I said I was sorry and I was unarmed and I would leave. He said they were having problems with somebody shooting his cows. He was super P.O'd. Some years later they found the skeleton of one of Reno's troopers right along side the river where I had crossed. I always thought it would be cool to find something and that there was probably an old rusty gun there somewhere, but never thought I might have walked over one of Custers men. History can sometimes right at your feet if you only know what to look for.
 
Richard A. Fox's book on the battle is a great read, especially for gun nuts. He tracked the progress of the battle through shell casings recovered on the battlefield.

Its called "Archaeology, History, and Custer's Last Battle."
 
I always did like the movie starring Errol Flynn as Custer. That said, I always thought this was simply a tactical fart by the 7th cavalry. A competent squad of M-14 rifleman backed up by a single M-60 would have sent these redskins packin' back to Canada!
 
Yeah, but what if the indians had m-16s too? I have seen some repairs and homemade ammo and they were very ingenious if they got their hands on various guns with odd ammo.
 
Went there as a kid on one of our many family vacations. I believe it was this visit that has created a life long love for history. As previously stated it was Custers ambition and arrogance that got him killed that and our countrys attempt to erradicate the american indian from the face of the earth.
 
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