Bear Kills Hiker

Every time I hear of a story like this it reminds me of the guy who used to go to Alaska with his camera and was on discovery channel for the whole summer and name the bears. Eventually he took his girlfriend with him and they were both eaten. What gets me is how he was made a hero afterwards instead of being labeled the idiot he was because he refused to take any type of firearm or even bear spray if I recall. People have no idea how dangerous bears can be.
 
I lived in Alaska back in the 60's before bear spray. Anyone who went fishing or into the bush packed a rifle or shotgun with slugs, pistols didn't cut it , you needed stoping power or nothing. Your talking about animals that have no fear of humans, you are part of the food chain. The enviromentilists now days know nothing about real life . they only think of wilderness as they see Yellowstone park. I am so sick of the want to be behinds of america that I could croak. Wolves need to be exterminated again. They are enginered killers and the ranchers are the victoms. Every time a cow, horse , sheep or other farmers animals are eaten by wolves, some of the people who want the wolves back should have a horse, cow dog, or other pet killed by their neighbors. Then they might feel the same lose as their local ranchers.

with that thinking shouldnt we kill all the bears too since they kill people? how about killing all the sharks? i mean they force/kill/hunt..... wolves out of their native ranges/homes/territory.... dangle meat on the hoof in front of them, then get mad when they eat to survive.
 
Every critter in nature could be said to be an "engineered killer" (predator), like us, for example, and likewise nearly every critter can be a "victim" (prey). I may not be qualified to say it but I believe man has done more harm to himself and to the planet than wolves, sharks, bears, and all the other dangerous species of critters combined, could ever approach. Wiping out animals for doing their natural jobs is "impenetrable mindlessness." Attempting to expertly control them, within the scope of our knowledge and ability, is another matter.
 
I totally loathe all bears......I have had the good fortune of having killed two blacks in NC.......If I could mount a 50cal machine gun on an ATV I would personally volunteer to eradicate all the bears of any kind......

The tree huggers love me!
 
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When i was stationed in Alaska, I carried a rifle every time we entered the woods or went berry picking. There was too much chance that the guy picking berries on the other side of the bush was a bear. At first I carried a Win 70 in 458 (wish I still had that rifle), but it was pretty heavy so I switched to a Rem 760 pump carbine: 18 inch barrel, 30-06 caliber, Weaver K 2.5 scope. I still have that rifle. I carried it with 220 gr bullets and one in the chamber.

Only had two instances when we might have been sharing the woods with a bear. Once I was out camping with my son; on the other side of the valley, at least 1/2 mile away, there was a 'something'. It didn't move like a moose, and was dark gray while moose are brown, but my little Bushnell 6X24s couldn't make out what it was. We high tailed it out of there. The other time I was hiking with my son in pretty thick vegetation. Something went crashing off through the bush about 75 yards head of us. Luckily the sound was receding, not coming towards us. Moose don't act like that. Both times the Remington felt very reassuring in my hands.

And I didn't just rely on hardware: I practiced. I had an assortment of somewhat dubious 30-06 brass, much of it from blanks, and I got a Lyman 4 cavity mould block for a 190 gr, 30 caliber, gas check bullet (Lyman doesn't make 4 cavity rifle moulds now but they did in the '60s. I still have that block). I had a pretty mild load, and I made a lot of them using that cast bullet and that brass. I shot a lot of it in rapid fire practice: as fast as I could cycle the action and aim at a target at 100 yards. I was no expert but I got rid of a lot of the rough edges; my skills at fast shooting were a lot better than most people out in the woods. Of course, it's all lost now as now I haven't done that kind of practice for quite a while.
 

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My idea of a bear gun is a Winchester or CZ .375 H&H. That goes for deliberate hunting of them or for defense. If I lived in Alaska or was buying a rifle to hunt there,I think Winchester may make their .375 in stainless with synthetic stock. That would make sense for that wet environment.

What I actually have is a .270 and a 7mm-08 and a .303. Honestly, I think any would "do" a bear with suitable bullets. Wish they loaded factory ammo in .303 with Noslers... But I know that many moose and elk are taken every year in Canada with .303's loaded with lesser bullets. And Noslers are available in my other two calibers.

As for the post about not understanding why a bear that has killed a man has to be tracked down and eliminated, I hope the poster can imagine how such a bear would pose a continuing threat to other humans and even come to regard them as a new prey item. It also helps to give the family of the victim some closure.
 
As for the post about not understanding why a bear that has killed a man has to be tracked down and eliminated, I hope the poster can imagine how such a bear would pose a continuing threat to other humans and even come to regard them as a new prey item. It also helps to give the family of the victim some closure.[/QUOTE]

TexasStar,
I disagree and this poster CAN imagine how a bear is/would be a continued threat since I have sense enough to know it was a threat before eating said human. Since the animal was a threat to the human it ate well before eating it. I think it is nothing more than human shortsightedness and "our" need to "make it all better".
 
Every bear is a potential threat to a man, and so every encounter with a bear should be treated as if it could be deadly. (Keep your distance and be prepared.)

Is there any plausible evidence that once a bear kills a human it will usually change its behavior to include humans as preferred prey? If it does, then tracking it down and killing it would make some sense.

That is what I would really like to know, but I would prefer more than incidental or anecdotal evidence. I have read that the big cats have been known to do this in Africa and India. I have never heard from an authoritative source that bears have that tendency. It seems extremely improbable. Does anyone really know anything about this?
 
Every bear is a potential threat to a man, and so every encounter with a bear should be treated as if it could be deadly. (Keep your distance and be prepared.)

Is there any plausible evidence that once a bear kills a human it will usually change its behavior to include humans as preferred prey? If it does, then tracking it down and killing it would make some sense.

That is what I would really like to know, but I would prefer more than incidental or anecdotal evidence. I have read that the big cats have been known to do this in Africa and India. I have never heard from an authoritative source that bears have that tendency. It seems extremely improbable. Does anyone really know anything about this?


Such evidence may be hard to come by, simply because rangers do track down and kill bears that can be ID'd as having attacked humans. Usually, human remains are found in their stomachs. For this reason, repeated attacks are usually deterred. And outside the parks, humans are often armed and stop the initial attack.

In Africa and India, where man-earting cats have been known to have INDIVIDUALLY consumed literally hundreds of people before being shot, they were more elusive and few hunters pursued them with single-minded purpose until they could be encountered and shot. I think Jim Corbett, in particular, should have been knighted for his outstanding services in that regard. If you've never read his books, do. And find and read those by Kenneth Anderson, too.

One of the most chilling things that I've read was Anderson's account of stalking a black panther in the dark! He was so close to the cat as it approached him that he heard its lips pull back in a snarl and put a .405 bullet into it just in time.

I question your logic in thinking that it is extremely improbable that a bear that has killed a human won't do it again. I think the reverse is true, and problem bears in the parks have escalated their behavior. Such bears are usually tranquilized and moved, but some remain an increasing threat.

In today's social climate, I doubt that rangers would shoot a bear unless they felt that it would indeed remain a threat to humans. There'd be too much backlash from people like you and the PETA crowd.

If you have not read the books by Corbett and Anderson or the account of the Tsavo lions by Lt. Col. J.H. Patterson, V.C., I urge that you do. ("The Man-Eaters of Tsavo".) More recent attacks have been profiled by the late Peter H. Capstick, whom I knew slightly. His best single work on the subject is, "Maneaters." It discusses a number of species known to consume humans, including cannibals.

Anderson and others have commented that the Indian bears are very aggressive, too, and one of his books includes an encounter with one, as I recall.
 
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Such evidence may be hard to come by, simply because rangers do track down and kill bears that can be ID'd as having attacked humans. Usually, human remains are found in their stomachs. For this reason, repeated attacks are usually deterred. And outside the parks, humans are often armed and stop the initial attack.

In Africa and India, where man-earting cats have been known to have INDIVIDUALLY consumed literally hundreds of people before being shot, they were more elusive and few hunters pursued them with single-minded purpose until they could be encountered and shot. I think Jim Corbett, in particular, should have been knighted for his outstanding services in that regard. If you've never read his books, do. And find and read those by Kenneth Anderson, too.

One of the most chilling things that I've read was Anderson's account of stalking a black panther in the dark! He was so close to the cat as it approached him that he heard its lips pull back in a snarl and put a .405 bullet into it just in time.

I question your logic in thinking that it is extremely improbable that a bear that has killed a human won't do it again. I think the reverse is true, and problem bears in the parks have escalated their behavior. Such bears are usually tranquilized and moved, but some remain an increasing threat.

In today's social climate, I doubt that rangers would shoot a bear unless they felt that it would indeed remain a threat to humans. There'd be too much backlash from people like you and the PETA crowd.

If you have not read the books by Corbett and Anderson or the account of the Tsavo lions by Lt. Col. J.H. Patterson, V.C., I urge that you do. ("The Man-Eaters of Tsavo".) More recent attacks have been profiled by the late Peter H. Capstick, whom I knew slightly. His best single work on the subject is, "Maneaters." It discusses a number of species known to consume humans, including cannibals.

Anderson and others have commented that the Indian bears are very aggressive, too, and one of his books includes an encounter with one, as I recall.

I think the whole discussion about whether the animal would kill a human again or not is, quite candidly, rediculous! Has anyone given any thought to the fact that the animal that has killed (and eaten) a human does it again for the sole purpose of it being a heck of a lot easier to do so than to try and run down something that runs a lot faster, in all probabilty is stronger and is harder to sneak up on??
I think it is laughable that a wild animal is hunted down and killed because it has killed a human.
 
I think the whole discussion about whether the animal would kill a human again or not is, quite candidly, rediculous! Has anyone given any thought to the fact that the animal that has killed (and eaten) a human does it again for the sole purpose of it being a heck of a lot easier to do so than to try and run down something that runs a lot faster, in all probabilty is stronger and is harder to sneak up on??
I think it is laughable that a wild animal is hunted down and killed because it has killed a human.


Well, your sense of humor and propriety doesn't parallel mine, or, I hope, that of most here. :mad:

You are entitled to your opinion. BTW, I don't like the Model 34 much, either. The one I had gave VERY difficult extraction, and I sold it and never bought another S&W .22 revolver.

I guess we're just cut from different cloth. What pleases you doesn't please me. Sometimes, life is like that.
 
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