Being Stalked

I had two black bears removed from my property this summer...at 150 lbs, and 300 lbs. Just when I thought all was well, I caught a third black bear trying to climb in through my kitchen window at 3 am. It pulled off the screen and was trying to hoist itself in when I happened upon it. I whacked it in the face with a metal strainer that was handy in the sink. It took off running. The monsoon season started the next day and haven't seen it again as its natural food has since started growing.

Game and Fish took the first two with traps, and brought the trap back for #3. They said that, as a Peace Officer, if I could articulate a threat I was cleared in to shoot it. They recommended a 12 gauge or stout rifle...not any type of handgun. Be careful!

I was kind of wondering about using a handgun and how it would effect such a large creature. I have heard from a former Airforce guy who was stationed in Alaska-that 9mm basically only irritated bears. He had to shoot it with his rifle. This guy was on perimeter patrol (for lack of proper term?) when a bear charged at him and he emptied his 9mm into it-then everything he had in whatever rifle he had. I saw pictures of the bear with many holes" in it.
 
I have a 338wm but it's way too big to light off here I may put a round in someone's house. I have the 300gr cor-non rounds in 44mag too.

I been around bears at my camp in vt for decades. I fear for my grandson, my dog and family.

After beating cancer nothing scares me anyway. If I was still 400lbs I'd put a knife in my teeth and go after Jim.(kidding) But I'm not afraid of bears.
My dog won't lay down on that side of my property. He sniffs the air and goes near my tractors on the opposite side to lay down. I keep an eye and ear out for him all the time. His tone of his bark changes when danger is present.

My wife spotted the bear first one night. She spots deer even before I see them.

I had a 145lb female rottie and I worried about her letting a bear in at night thinking it's the rottie. I would kid with her. My rottie passed away last year and I think my dog thought it was the rottie at first until he got a wiff of the hear. It's no rottie it's a 400lb black bear.

This is my first year to have fruit on my new fruit trees and he wiped me out I didn't even get a pit from the white peaches. He stood up and ate everything.

As I mowed the lawn I seen my Bosch pears disappearing a little at a time till there was none. I thought it was the deer. I have the deer going threw my land to get into the bottoms they come and go.

My son says there are bones and white fur up in the water shed property.
I had a opossum staying in my breeze way till the dog ran him off. I guess he was lunch.

About two years ago I seen cub tracks in my freshly tilled garden. Since then I haven't used my deer feeder up in the back of my property. I put out the deer blocks in January when the bears are sleeping. I never see bear tracks in the snow only deer tracks. All my neighbors have fruit trees too but no reports of bears yet. Bb
 
Lots of good advice so far. He may be eyeing the dog for a meal or your trash. A small child would also be a meal for a hungry bear. Make sure that if you are going to put it down you use the firepower to do it right. Nothing more dangerous than a wounded bear.

If all you want to do is scare it off bear spray, or 12ga rubber buck backed by several rounds of slugs in case he doesn't get the idea to leave.

The trapping by authorities should be you first plan of action that way they know you have a problem documented in case you have to put it down. You don't want any legal problems.
 
Lots of good advice so far. He may be eyeing the dog for a meal or your trash. A small child would also be a meal for a hungry bear. Make sure that if you are going to put it down you use the firepower to do it right. Nothing more dangerous than a wounded bear.

If all you want to do is scare it off bear spray, or 12ga rubber buck backed by several rounds of slugs in case he doesn't get the idea to leave.

The trapping by authorities should be you first plan of action that way they know you have a problem documented in case you have to put it down. You don't want any legal problems.

This should be your first plan...plan B can involve Kentucky fried chicken and a .30-06...don't go into the brush after a bear(with a handgun!!) you might find the bear!

Remember the old saying "Sometimes you eat the bear..sometimes he eats you"
 
If its a black bear and it's being persistent, it's a problem bear. When they start moving in they are looking to eat something. More people are killed and eaten by black bears than any other.
Walk like you're being stalked, because you may be, and your dogs.

Would really like to see a source on that. Haven't heard that one before.

And please don't go out looking to murderer a bear. Contact the Game Warden. Or deploy fireworks towards the bear. Just don't go killing for no reason. Let the Possum Cops deal with Yogi

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Would really like to see a source on that. Haven't heard that one before.

And please don't go out looking to murderer a bear. Contact the Game Warden. Or deploy fireworks towards the bear. Just don't go killing for no reason. Let the Possum Cops deal with Yogi

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If a bear is foraging and sniffing around residential property, that is all the reason needed to kill the bear. It is a problem bear at that point. Especially where there are children, caution is stupid. Action is called for and it is called for sooner not later. 100 bears are not worth the life of one child.
 
I would first call DFW and let them handle it. Next would be to talk to a guide and follow their advice. Or employ someone specialized with this kind of problem. Trained dogs to tree then euthanize/sedate is much safer than trying to hunt the bear alone. I would worry about chasing the bear towards your property instead of away from it.
 
If a bear is foraging and sniffing around residential property, that is all the reason needed to kill the bear. It is a problem bear at that point. Especially where there are children, caution is stupid. Action is called for and it is called for sooner not later. 100 bears are not worth the life of one child.

I got a neighbor who cooks meth been in jail multiple times for B&E talks to trees is prone to sudden outbursts of extreme rage. Been declared mentally ill and extremely dangerous, threated to kill me several times. He even tears the tag off of mattresses at the store.... can I deal with him?

No that is the job of Law Enforcement.

A problem bear unless someone is under attack falls into the laps of the Game Wardens. They sort out the problem real quick and firgure out what caused the bear to become the problem.

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Around Northern Cal, when a bear comes into a residential area, the fish and game people capture the bear and relocate it.

It ends up 200 miles away somewhere in the Sierra Nevada mountains -- far away from any tourist campgrounds or houses.

No real need to kill it if the game wardens come get it in a reasonable time frame.
 
CAN"T help myself

I f you go out in the woods today
You're sure of a big surprise.
If you go out in the woods today
You'd better go in disguise.

For every bear that ever there was
Will gather there for certain, because
Today's the day the teddy bears have their picnic.

Picnic time for teddy bears,
 
Here comes Yogie and boo boo looking for picnic baskets and no broccoli of course. I'm going to report it tomorrow like Massad said to do.

My dog now hangs out at the breeze way. He won't go to that side of the yard at all. He has a very deep low loud bark that say danger when this bear is lurking nearby. I wear the shoulder holster with the 44 or carry my 357mag snubbie in my pocket when outside. During a bear hug I can shoot the snubbie in tighter quarters.

The state has admitted they have a problem with all the predators returning here. They have lost slot of the yearling fawns to the predators. This year's generation has been wiped out it's that bad. It's time to open up a season for these predators to cull the population.
Give me a permit and I'll hunt yotes 24/7. We're over run with them too.

Remember that Elmer Keith has killed every north American game with the 357mag, 41mag and the 44mag. So I don't feel under gunned.
 
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If you go out side you better beaware,
Because Yogie bear wants your viddles,
And he isn't here to hear your fiddle.
So you better hide your picnic viddles,
Or he just maybe playing your fiddle,
After he eats your viddles,
Yup it's Yogie and Booboo at it again,
There conflict with the park ranger will never end.
 
I got a neighbor who cooks meth been in jail multiple times for B&E talks to trees is prone to sudden outbursts of extreme rage. Been declared mentally ill and extremely dangerous, threated to kill me several times. He even tears the tag off of mattresses at the store.... can I deal with him?

No that is the job of Law Enforcement.

A problem bear unless someone is under attack falls into the laps of the Game Wardens. They sort out the problem real quick and firgure out what caused the bear to become the problem.
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While I agree that you can't do something preemptive about the meth maggot, it does not mean you can't solve an immediate problem if presented with it. I see that you get the correct viewpoint with regard to the bear. If it is a right now problem, address it - calling 911 or fins 'n' feathers is something you do when you can take the time to do it. Law enforcement is a cleanup crew, most of the time. We can't solve your emergency.

BigBill: Wildlife enforcement folks generally have decent tools and skillsets for addressing a problem bear, and if you can give them the chance, you should. I agree based on your description that you have a situation that needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
 
Just as with a human stalking situation, it would be a good idea to report and document it, to establish beforehand who's the "victim." Might want to call local Animal Control, Fish & Wildlife, etc. It would be good insurance if some tree-hugger accused you of "ruin of bruin" out of season...

And make sure you shoot it with factory ammo, not your own reloads, just in case you end up in court. ;)
 
Here comes Yogie and boo boo looking for picnic baskets and no broccoli of course. I'm going to report it tomorrow like Massad said to do.

My dog now hangs out at the breeze way. He won't go to that side of the yard at all. He has a very deep low loud bark that say danger when this bear is lurking nearby. I wear the shoulder holster with the 44 or carry my 357mag snubbie in my pocket when outside. During a bear hug I can shoot the snubbie in tighter quarters.

The state has admitted they have a problem with all the predators returning here. They have lost slot of the yearling fawns to the predators. This year's generation has been wiped out it's that bad. It's time to open up a season for these predators to cull the population.
Give me a permit and I'll hunt yotes 24/7. We're over run with them too.

Remember that Elmer Keith has killed every north American game with the 357mag, 41mag and the 44mag. So I don't feel under gunned.

Bill, not going to argue bear caliber with you. Just be careful.

I'm sure Elmer Keith was a good hunter. But there's a big difference between waiting on an unsuspecting animal at a pool of water versus walking into the brush looking for one that knows it's being stalked.

I would be worried that he will come charging out of the bushes with no warning. A charging bear is hard to hit and stop. Hope you don't have to.
 
Lets see if I've got this stuff right. We often discuss the caliber and model of guns to use in bear country. Only a fool goes hunting a real honest bear with a handgun. And then only as a stunt to prove it can be done. The smarter fools bring along a friend with a serious caliber rifle. Yes, .30 caliber rifles can be serious, but those often are called magnums and push a 200 or so grain bullet beyond 3000 fps. So bear gun threads are usually centered on handguns to haul all over gawd's creation all the while hoping against all hope we won't be seeing one. Serious hunters already know how to select a rifle for the task.

Here the OP is considering blundering into the brush with an inadequate caliber to pit himself against an unknown. Also unknown is the mood of the critter he blunders into. Its different if you have the element of surprise. Not sure how much different because if you surprise the bear, he may just decide you're on his turf.

I'd suggest the OP invest in one of the little heat seekers. I don't remember what they're called, but it looks like a flashlight. Its got PIR (Passive Infra Red) out in front. Its like a hand held motion detector alarm. The one I bought also has a red laser that aims at the warm spot.
I think it was initially marketed as a game finder. The theory being that if you up and wounded or killed a critter, its remaining body heat would set off the device. The button is to activate the red laser so you could tell which bush held the now dead critter, or live and angry bear. Just hope its not a mountain lion that dislikes playing with red laser dots. If you really think you've got something just out of your lawn, it might do what you seek. Or just put up motion flood lights to let it see into the bushes where you can't. Yes, they can often see through foilage.

As for the relocation ideas....they stink. I keep remembering the events out in Moab, UT about 20 or so years ago. This lady had a yard. Yards are hard to grow in the dessert, and folks don't take kindly to some critter tearing them up. So the lady finally got mad and called animal control. You know the guys, they drive around and try to capture unlicensed pups. Well they came out and visited her and were told a large yellow dog was running through her yard at night. It was even tearing up her grass, which was why she called. So taking it all at face value, they selected their biggest trap, baited it and left. The next morning the lady was calling, kind of hysterical. They caught it. It was big and yellow. But it wasn't a dog, it was a mountain lion. So the cavalry rushed over and saw their formerly rectangular cage had been pulled mostly into a ball, and the resident was pretty intent on getting out. Folks are weak, full grown mountain lions aren't weak.

So they used their finest tranquilizer gun and gave it a nap. Then they drove it up in the LaSal mountains and released it. But since it was chemically asleep, they stuck around until it woke back up. It was a bit confused, but it was time to leave it alone. The fun part was it took it 2 full weeks to wander its way back to town. Guess it was a city critter. Relocation sometimes doesn't work.
 
Big Bill, if we could just find a way to introduce your bear to redneckemt's neighbor, it would solve the problems both of you are having! The bear would kill the meth head, & eating the meth head would poison the bear. I guess, though, it might be considered cruel;no bear should have to eat something like that.
 
My bear medicine.....350 Remington Magnum Model 673 Guide rifle, pushing a 250 grain partition at 2,550 fps. On the hip is an N-Frame.
 
No disrespect, but any man that goes INTO the bush looking for bear will usually find him. You're on the bears turf, He has the advantage.

If he's hanging around then he's not afraid and probably hungry. Black bear are notoriously unpredictable. Hungry and unafraid don't help matters much.

Wait him out. Bait him if legal. Is it bear season?

Wait for him to come out into the open.

Well, sometimes you find what you go looking for- :D Went looking one day and found this ole girl with her 3 cubs--- :)
Please excuse the poor photo, it was really dark--

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Ok I’m going to go in a slightly different direction and ask you to consider reporting the bear and asking DoW or your forest service to trap the bear and move it before killing it.

NO NO NO!!! All that happens is they relocate the problem bears out into our neck of the woods where they teach the formerly afraid of humans local bears to come in around people. There are way more bears in Colorado than there is habitat for them. A side effect of removing the spring bear hunt. I say document it and then kill the bear, period! We sure don't need that many bears and this one is a problem waiting to happen.
 
I had two black bears removed from my property this summer...at 150 lbs, and 300 lbs. Just when I thought all was well, I caught a third black bear trying to climb in through my kitchen window at 3 am. It pulled off the screen and was trying to hoist itself in when I happened upon it. I whacked it in the face with a metal strainer that was handy in the sink. It took off running. The monsoon season started the next day and haven't seen it again as its natural food has since started growing.

Game and Fish took the first two with traps, and brought the trap back for #3. They said that, as a Peace Officer, if I could articulate a threat I was cleared in to shoot it. They recommended a 12 gauge or stout rifle...not any type of handgun. Be careful!

I dont care what anyone says. ANYTHING!!! COMING through the kitchen window at 3 am is grounds for lots of brass tinging off the kitchen floor. Ill do sheet rock work in the morning to fix the holes. LOL.

Hayden.
 
I dont care what anyone says. ANYTHING!!! COMING through the kitchen window at 3 am is grounds for lots of brass tinging off the kitchen floor. Ill do sheet rock work in the morning to fix the holes. LOL.

Hayden.

I thought it was my 3 year old making the noise I heard, so had no revolver handy. Otherwise a contact shot to the bear's forehead would have ensued.
 
I dont care what anyone says. ANYTHING!!! COMING through the kitchen window at 3 am is grounds for lots of brass tinging off the kitchen floor. Ill do sheet rock work in the morning to fix the holes. LOL.

Hayden.

Funny. My dad actually had to do that one night. When I was growing up in Alaska we had a cabin out in the middle of nowhere. We had so many bear around it was crazy.

Late one night a bear tried to crawl in the window. Dad got up and leveled a 44 mag at him and the bear knew he was about to be shot. He dropped out of the window and ran. Dad stuck the 44 out the open window and fired a shot in the air to scare him more. :p
 
NO NO NO!!! All that happens is they relocate the problem bears out into our neck of the woods where they teach the formerly afraid of humans local bears to come in around people. There are way more bears in Colorado than there is habitat for them. A side effect of removing the spring bear hunt. I say document it and then kill the bear, period! We sure don't need that many bears and this one is a problem waiting to happen.
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I'd bet a lot of money that the average bear is less of a drain on society and precious natural and social resources than the average human.
 
There are way more bears in Colorado than there is habitat for them.


Perhaps it is the other way around in certain areas.

Something like this maybe...There are way more HUMANS than there is habitat for them.
 
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