Big Gap between frame & yoke on J-frame

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I noticed that the cylinder on my M49 wobbles and there's a big gap
between the frame and yoke. I thought it was because the locking
bolt is worn.

However, I also noticed that the extractor rod ( brand new) has a
LOT of free-play between it & the yoke hole (.010" clearance).

I think that even with a new bolt stop, it will still have a gap.

I bought the gun used and *maybe* the gas ring is worn or
missing? Not sure it even had one- the gun was made in '66.

Anyone know what ID the yoke hole should be (where the
extractor rod runs through)? Thanks.


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Your barrel needs to be turned, if you want the air gap tightened up. .004-.010 air gap is what they set them for.

This is copied from the FAQ sticky above:

Feeler gauge inspection

Here are the general specs for basic checking on S&W revolvers.

Whenever I check the specs of S&W revolvers there are 3 things that I check, air gap, head space and endshake.

In a nut shell here is how I do it.

AIR GAP:
Proper air gap on S&W revolvers is .004-.010 inch. Rotate the cylinder and check it in more than one spot. The cylinder won't be perfectly square, it will vary some. Measure it at the forcing cone. Too little gap the gun will jam, too much and the gun will start spitting, plus lower bullet velocity and accelerated top strap erosion.

Endshake:
Set end shake for less than .002". Here is how I test it. Push the cylinder forward, check it. Pull the cylinder back, check it again. The difference is endshake. Measure it at the forcing cone.
If I need to adjust it, I use end shake bearings, instead of peening or flaring the yoke's barrel. A gun needs some endshake to run, too little and it will jam, too much creates all kinds of problems, possible light hammer strikes, poor carry up etc.

Head space:
Here's how I test it: With new or once fired cases in all chambers (no primers). Wedge the cylinder back by placing a shim between the barrel and cylinder face (a gap gauge works well. This forces the cylinder back where the extractor's hub is bottomed out on the recoil shield. You should have .008-.012" (.010" optimum) gap between the case heads and the firing pin hole on the frame.

Keep in mind the ejector and cylinder are made and fit at the factory to work together for proper head space. Swapping parts may throw off the head spacing.

Normally, head space doesn't change unless someone files down the hub of the ejector.

I added the gage specifications below for each particular caliber (from the armorer's manual):

38,357,41,44 .060"-.068"
22 magnum .004"-.008"
45 ACP .090"-.094"
45 Long Colt .060"-.068"

38,357 w/cylinder Counter Bore .012"-.018"

In addition no revolver should be adjusted to a single action trigger pull of less than 3 LBS.


YOKE ENDPLAY

To adjust the yoke screw:
Use a file and lightly file the bottom of the screw until the cylinder swings without a lot of resistance. I like them with a bit of drag, but not binding.

If you tried the screws, then the yoke stud is too long (or the slot is worn) and needs to be adjusted.

You need to flatten the button of the yoke. Find a 1 inch round bar (Babbitt bar would be nice) and place the yoke body on it. Using a hammer lightly tap the button (on the corner) to make it flatter, (peen only 1/2 way around) then if you need to, file out the slot where the screw fits so it can be tightened up. Only file what you have to, or it will be loose again. You're trying to narrow the slot opening where the screw goes (Look for the screw rub mark). Your not trying to move the whole 9 yards, just deform the slot.
Tap lightly, check the fit often.
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I have the same question...see where the feeler gauge is ...between the frame and crane...I noticed the cylinder on my 642 flops back and forth if you turn the gun over or shake it...is that a problem ...when in full lock it doesn't flop...I don't think the post above answers the question ....if it does could someone explain a little further ...I am slooow

My 642 has the same amount of gap.. .010 don't know if that is acceptable?
 
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My 629 has the same situation. It shoots just fine but I would like to get it "fixed". I bought it used and it has not gotten worse since the day I got it. My first thought was that the barrel was tourqued too tight or something.
 
I just received my 442 back from the factory. I ended up getting a replaced frame, which has a new barrel, yoke, cylinder, etc. The timing and cylinder alignment is absolutely perfect, and it shot very well when I took it out this past weekend.

I did just notice that my 442 has the same problem as the original poster. The cylinder and yoke will move left and right if the cylinder is pressed on slightly, but this movement disappears when under full lockup. I included a picture of the gap.

Right now the revolver seems fine for carry and use. It has shown itself to be accurate and reliable, but I am worried about long term hold up and so on.

Does anyone else have any experience with something of this nature, especially if it has gotten worse or anything? The thought of sending my 442 back to the factory for service makes me sick... I have had to send it off for warranty work for different issues since receiving it. Maybe I am just expecting too much perfection.
 

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My 629 has the same situation. It shoots just fine but I would like to get it "fixed". I bought it used and it has not gotten worse since the day I got it. My first thought was that the barrel was tourqued too tight or something.

Alde,

Jim at West Coast Armory's Bellevue location did a fine job of setting back the barrel on my 66. I'd recommend him if you are looking for someone to do the work for you.
 
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