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I took my son today to a local ranch here in the Adirondacks that has a small herd of bison, I counted twenty one of them, which comes and goes. They raise them, sell the meat and other homemade things to the tourists. He had never seen a bison before so it was a treat for him to see the big beasts, especially since they are learning about the American West in history class. I told him try to imagine a herd of hundreds or thousands at one time. They really do demand respect when you see them up close.

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There's a buffalo ranch down the road from me. They have they're annual "buffalo watch" next weekend when the babies are supposed to be born. Who would believe buffalo in NJ
 
Nice pictures. I have seen them up close on Catalina Island here in Southern California. Big beautiful beasts, another example of natures great wonder.
 
Just an FYI:

Europe also has bison, though not quite the
same build, coating.

Largest preserved herd is in Poland.
 
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In 1991 we drove across the country, my wife and son and I. When passing thru Custer National Park, our car was surrounded by about 50 or so. I must say I was a little uneasy until they moved along. Not sure our Olds Cutlass could have won a tussle with them. Awesome creatures.
 
A feller bought a ranch next to ours and was gonna raise Bison.
I asked him about fencing and he said " You got to fence them out, State law."
I said "Well the first time one gets out, I'll call you and tell you where he is. The next time I'll tell you where the carcass is."


He made his fortune tearing down and replacing power transmission lines.
They used the stuff he had got tearing them down to build a 10 foot high with power poles and high tension lines and electrified every other wire.


After a few years he bought another place on the Colorado State line and still has a herd there.


I was talking to one of the hands that worked for him for a couple of years and he said, "Ah them ol' Buffs ain't so bad, you can make one go anywhere he wants to."
 
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One of the things I find interesting is that when people first started ranching bison they put up high strong fences, now I see more and more of them in more normal cattle type barbed wire fences and have to wonder if the bison that have been born and bred inside fence have become accustom the fences. I am sure when they started fencing in those old time long horns, Scottish Highlanders and the like more than a few of them just plowed on through the fence. Just a tough piece of brush to them. There are still a few old ranch cows that haven't got much respect for fences and putting bulls in a pasture with only one normal fence between them and cows isn't going to work out well.

I do know Bison bulls can decide to go on walk about and if they don't run into a real strong barricade they go where they want. When I lived in Miles City, Montana 3 bulls showed up south of town. They had wonder over from the Black Hills herd and thats about 200 miles and a lot of fences.
 
I imagine today's buffalo have gotten use to fences just like Longhorns and the Cowboys who tended them had to a century or so ago.


I will tell you this if you're working buffalo in corrals you better have good ones. Them rascals can climb out of an ordinary cattle chute like it wasn't there.
 
Wife and I were out to dinner and they had a stuffed bison head on the wall. I asked the wife what was wrong. She said they didn't the eyes right==they were too intelligent looking and not mean enough!
 
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My friend Roger manages the buffalo herd, about 3,000 head on 30,000 acres, for the Cheyenne River Sioux Tribe in north central South Dakota. Years ago he loaded me up into his F350 dually and off across the prairie we went looking for 'em. After a couple of miles of bouncing around we found a group of about a dozen. Roger jumped out of the truck, grabbed a square bale off the back and walked right up to 'em. They started nuzzling him and making very happy snorting sounds. He said, "come on out of there, they will know you're with me and you'll be OK 'cause I hand feed 'em all winter." I compromised and opened the door and put my right foot on the ground, with the rest of me remaining safely in the truck. That's as close as I got that day, or any day. The bulls easily weighed a ton, and the really big ones, over 2,500 pounds. They can run 35 miles an hour, and when you see a couple of hundred of 'em moving at that speed, it really makes you respect the hunters, and their horses, who pursued them armed only with bows and arrows.
 
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I used to visit a ranch on Lame Johnny Creek, abutting the east side of Custer Park, which has a good-sized herd. Wind Cave NP, just to the south, has a herd of its own. If you are motorcycling, you will often find the road blocked by one of the herds. Your options are either to wait until the herd finishes crossing the road, which can take a couple of hours if they are lollygagging, or to go back the way you came.

Inevitably during Rally Week, some rider imagines a kinship between him and his motorcycle and the noble animal, and rides up close to cement the bond by revving his un-muffled engine, with often fatal results. Ordinarily, they won’t kill you, but it is prudent to keep your distance.
 
A friend has a horse training business and a roping arena. They will occasionally buy some Buffalo calves to rope on. They get rid of them for a good reason before they hit 600 lbs.
 
If it had been left up to the Native Americans, the buffalo would never even have come close to being extinct. They took only what they needed and there weren't too many parts of the buffalo they didn't use. They knew when to quit. Unlike us, they weren't motivated by greed or high fashion.
 
If it had been left up to the Native Americans, the buffalo would never even have come close to being extinct. They took only what they needed and there weren't too many parts of the buffalo they didn't use. They knew when to quit. Unlike us, they weren't motivated by greed or high fashion.

Not true, at least in the idea that plains Indians lived in harmony with the buffalo. Of course, the plains Indians only existed in the first place because they were pushed out of more productive regions by competition with other tribes, who were in turn competing with European settlers. So if Europeans never showed up, Native American buffalo culture would not have existed anyway, or at least not for a long, long time.

Native Americans hunted the buffalo at an unsustainable rate by the 1780s and possibly as early as 1730, according to several studies. This is only 50 years after the creation of Native American horse culture that made life on the plains possible, based upon hunting bison exclusively. More importantly, the ecology of the plains simply couldn't support the bison herds and the presence of growing Native American populations post-1680 Pueblo Revolt, which introduced horses to Native Americans and moved them onto the Great Plains.

Certainly, the great herds were definitely in decline by the 1830s, long before the slaughters of the 1870s that get all the attention. Those simply capped off the extermination that had been going on for a century or more at that point.

Native American hunting is an undeniable factor in the decimation of bison. Famously, In 1856, an Indian Affairs officer reported that the five tribes in the upper Arkansas River basin, which totaled about 12,000 Native Americans, killed about 115,000 annually. All combined, Native Americans had been harvesting buffalo at an unsustainable rate. Much of this hunting was commercial in nature, Native Americans traded buffalo robes just as much as they traded beaver pelts (which nearly wiped out the beaver population too) and was driven by their desire for manufactured goods and arms they couldn't produce themselves. Still, according to estimates, simply subsistence harvesting of bison exceeded the ability of the herds to reproduce.

Another cause is ecological in nature - a great drought in the 1840s decimated some of the herds. Morever, the vast horse herds introduced by the Native Americans to the west meant that Native Americans now competed with buffalo for the same grazing and water resources. By the 1800s, horses represented class within Native American societies, and were used to barter. Tribes would have sizeable horse herds, tens of thousands in some cases.

This accelerated with the introduction of cattle into the region on a broad level through the use of oxen and cows on the Oregon and Santa Fe trails, also competing for the same resources, and introduced bovine diseases that bison had not been previously exposed to, which also ravaged the herds.

Finally, the introduction of the railroads in the west commercialized bison hunting in ways not possible before, and that simply finished off the herds.

It's been a while since I've looked at the literature, but studies by Elliot and West, along with Hamalain (spelling?) pretty much destroy the myth that Native Americans lived in harmony with the herds. Once the Native Americans became wholly dependent upon bison, rather than a more diversified existence, the tribal harvesting of buffalo outpaced the ability of herds to reproduce. It would have been a much slower extermination, but it would have still happened. The introduction of widespread Anglo-American activity in the West just made it happen much, much quicker.

I apologize for the long post, this topic is something I've looked at and lectured about to classes, as it invariably comes up when discussing the settlement of the West.
 
For a better scientific discussion of buffalo population dynamics during the 1800s, feel free to read the attached.

Among other issues, there were, for example never more than 25,000 Lakhota (Teton, or Western Sioux, e.g., Sitting Bull's people) who roamed over a huge area encompassing all of South Dakota west of the Missouri, and parts of North Dakota, Nebraska, Wyoming, and Montana. It is difficult to see how the Lakhota and other buffalo hunting tribes (which in toto, never numbered more than about 100,000 people spread over a much larger area) could have caused the massive loss of the buffalo population in such a short period of time. And, we know, because of the shipping records, that commercial hunters, who were not Indians, killed some 31 million buffalo in the 20 years or so between the end of the War Between the States and the mid-1880s. This was the product of a deliberate Federal policy to exterminate the native buffalo population as a means of subjugating the Indian peoples who depended upon them.

It is interesting to note that this policy was implemented by none other than William Tecumseh Sherman, most famous for his scorched-earth tactics in the War Between the States, who brought that same military philosophy to the West, where he shaped a policy and strategy that would finally subjugate all the native peoples of the plains. Indeed, Sherman once commented to General Philip Sheridan that "it would be wise to invite all the sportsmen of England and America ... for a Grand Buffalo Hunt, and make one grand sweep of them all."

No Lakhota, Cheyenne, Comanche, or Kiowa would have ever thought such a thing, let alone acted on it.
 

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We were not there and cannot know it all. It was necessary for the natives to visit the breadbasket of the prairies and refuel every 4-7 years. Some like the Blackfeet found it easier to attack those returning and take their stuff. [research Hellgate canyon]. Some found trade easier and a crop growing lifestyle better suited them. Many tribes lived without ever seeing a bison, being dependent on fish, elk or other foods and not needing a traditional lodge.
Will someone in the future look at our archived film history and try to decide what is truth and what is romanticed?
 
https://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3227&context=greatplainsquarterly

Hamalainen, Pakka, "The First Phase of Destruction Killing the Southern Plains Buffalo, 1790-1840", Great Plains Quarterly, Spring 2001.

This is one of the best concise, peer-reviewed academic articles exploring the overhunting that plains tribes engaged in. Anyone interested in the topic would do well to start here and explore the lengthy notes accordingly. It is much more detailed that what I wrote above, but all is there, along with the central premise that Native Americans did, in fact, hunt buffalo at a rate that exceeded natural reproduction of the herd, both before and after the rise of the commercial trade in buffalo.

Honorable mention for another short but good article talking about the destruction of the bison and Native American complicity in the hunting of herds in Canada is William Dobak's "Killing the Canadian Buffalo" chapter in Canadian Environmental History: Essential Readings which can be found on google books.

I'm not here for an academic debate, but I can throw sources around too.
 
Well herre is Montana there are quite a few documented buffalo jumps where the natives made a practice of stampeding whole heard of buffalo over bluffs and cliff. With no refrigeration or salt and mostly only the women doing the work it is hard to imagine that none of the hundreds of beast killed during such a "hunt" went to waste. A favored method of directing the hunt was to start a prairie fire. Ya, the one with nature view of the natives is mostly just a romance of the mind by the uniformed couch potato.

The white guys of course did come along and show them how it was done though.

But, another thing there are lots and lots of deer in Montana, except on some of the reservations (which are huge). Wonder why that is with the natives practicing so much one with nature. I don't have nothing against natives, butt hey lets get real here.
 
I have seen them up close from inside my brother's van when at Yellowstone, and I have seen the videos of the fools who have messed with them and been tossed around like so much paper. Anyone who does not treat a big strong wild animal with real respect deserves what they get, hopefully before passing on their defective genes.

I suspect that some amount of reduction in their wildness results from farm life ... but I learned quickly in rural LE that real farm bulls and stallions are dangerous - much more so than the average person would think. The phrase "mess with the bull, get the horns" did not come out of thin air. It came out of hard learned lessons.
 
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I imagine today's buffalo have gotten use to fences just like Longhorns and the Cowboys who tended them had to a century or so ago.


I will tell you this if you're working buffalo in corrals you better have good ones. Them rascals can climb out of an ordinary cattle chute like it wasn't there.



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That's the truth right thar and certain...…...Cattle systems are not up to the chore.

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One of the threatened/endangered species is the mountain plover. Plovers are shorebirds but the mountain plover evolved in the Great Plains for following the great herds and nesting in the short grass the bison left behind.
 
My favorite Buffalo story.

Guy I hunt with and his wife bought a bull buffalo as a calf and kept it around the place as a semi pet. 4 or 5 years latter the split up and she gets the place and "Cody" the buffalo. Along come a new man in her life, complete with shiny new 4X4. Cody decides for some reason he don't like the 4X4 and completely trashes it. My buddy told me how bad he felt about it with a grin on his face.

My new wife worked for a while out of west Yellowstone for a while after college prior to law school. One of her girl friends while was from California. On winter roads in the park she hits a buffalo bull and totals her car. It took some convincing for her insurance company to believe her when she reported the accident.

Funny video, but I saw a Hereford bull completely destroy a chunk of corral built out of rough sawn 2x12s and 12x12 posts. A big bull of any sort is a powerful creature when it decides to use his force.
 
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