Bigfoot, Sasquatch, A. Snowman: Believers?

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Without making reference to any politicians, coworkers or neighbors whom you believe may fit the appearance, do you believe in these cryptozoology animals?

Try not to be snide: just say why you think or don't think they exist. If you don't believe, why do you think remarkably similar descriptions exist among different "native" peoples here and in Asia, going back for hundreds of years? These cultures were not in touch with one another; the stories were all independent. How do you explain the considerable number of sightings among modern people, many of credible backgrounds, like teachers, cops, etc.

I am dubious, but some footprints, much better defined and in proportion than some that have been shown by Bigfoot promoters, have been examined by scientsts and found to be too anatomically perfect to have been fakes. Hairs have been examined by an Army lab and found not to be from bears or any other known animal. And one specimen was captured, but escaped from a train in Canada in about the 1880's, if memory serves.

I know a guy who worked in a Texarkana gun shop when the Monster of Boggy Creek movies were being made. The shop owner was related to the movie maker, and my friend said that it was pretty common knowledge that "something" was around Fouk, AR then, and one guy who said that it attacked him was hospitalized with extensive injuries.

My friend saw the "footpints" from the movie and said that they were obvious fakes, too long for the width. But some other footprints actually have the tiny lines like fingerprints in them, and one scientist said they would be almost impossible to fake. The shape of the feet was also perfectly in keeping with what such an animal would be like. (There are certain differences from a human foot that size.)

Keep in mind that the okapi, the gorilla, and the chimp were all once thought to be mythical animals.

Be nice. I'm not nuts (I hope!) and I'm interested in what members think, especially those who live in the range of these creatures, if they're real. And I thought it might intrigue some open minds on a slow Sunday afternoon.

Now, for the inevitable question: which sidearm would you favor if you were travelling in bigfoot country, especially if there had been recent sightings? I'd lean toward a S&W M-629 with six inch barrel and 240 grain softpoint magnum loads. Keep in mind that Bigfoot country is also frequently bear country.

T-Star
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Well, as it relates to the other thread...I'm wondering why some sasquatch devotees have never gone out and set up hundreds of trail cams in the remotest areas where sightings have occurred.

Personally, I can believe a large animal might not have been discovered yet, but only in remote locales. When I read about a bigfoot sighting in New Jersey or Florida I tend to think not.
 
Saw a few things a few years ago in W.Broward that would make one wonder.Iguess about '75 or so there was a story about a cow with its head seperated. It didn't apear to be cut but seperated like between to trucks with chains. It was all over the news. they never figured out what happened. At least no one told me if they did. BTW there was a big cat rescue down the street and still is to this day.
 
Get me in the right mood sometime and I'll tell you about the upright walking brown fur covered critter I watched for several minutes in the North Cascades back in 1969. Ain't seen one since but it sure gave me the creeps back then.
 
In Florida Bigfoot is the Skunk Ape!

Yes, I believe Bigfoot is one of many of God's Creatures we know very little about.
 
Back in the mid 70s I heard something in the woods near us, on the Suwannee River. I don't know what it was, but we were scared.

I don't believe so much as I can see the possibilies. I would not be surprised, if it did exist. And it is called a Skunk Ape here.
 
I've read and watched about everything there is on this subject and on UFOs and to me there just isn't enough proof yet.
However, having said that, I realize that there are new species being discovered all the time and there are remote areas where a creature may exist that we are yet to find.
 
A few years back I was off roading in the Pine Barrens with two other close friends, It was about 2 am, I was running 4 100W Aircraft landing lights on the front of my rover, Plus the regular head lights,,,When something passed about 20 yards ahead of me, I was leading, And my Pal Dean was behind me, We both saw it,,, A mountain lion in a hurry.
I spoke to the park rangers next visit in the day and they said that mountain lions were rhumered<sp to be there, But never a pic taken..........
Who knows what's out there?
Peter
 
I don't believe these critters exist outside the vivid imaginations of poor observers and clever hoaxers. I hope they don't --- think of the habitat management ramifications of a secretive, large, primate with a CITES II endangered species listing. I'll change my mind when and if an actual specimen, dead or alive, is available for scrutiny and examination, and I'm not holding my breath.
 
The referenced capture of a bigfoot is about some sort of incident that was actually reported in a newspaper about a century ago: "What is it? Strange creature captured above Yale" referring to British Columbia. The tale is they found an unconcious ape lying beside some rail tracks, a small one.
Even here in the northeast, at a slow but steady pace, reports continue to be made. Some are well documented, fairly recent, multiple witnessed, and very interesting to learn about. Some others are anything but. Back a century ago, there were areas in northern NH & Maine that most men chose to stay out of. "Wood Devil" is one of the terms that was used in this area. The Abenaki's believed they were real.
The way I figure it is this: If 99.5% of what we hear about bigfoot, UFOs, and other such fodder is scam, that leaves 1/2 a % that makes for some very interesting study.
I use the 1/2 a % figure but I tend to think its more like 95% of it is explainable in some way. When it comes to bigfoot or cryptozoology I try to keep an open mind.
 
I'm a believer in possabilities. Bigfoot, aliens, Nessie or ghosts? Do they exist? I honestly don't know. But I like to believe it is possable. There are many things in this world that have yet to be explained.
 
Real? In terms of the N. American ones, almost certainly. Can't say about the yetis.

The problem is how you'd deal with one. They might be an undsicovered great ape/proto human living feral in the wild. But... They might be simply inhabiting a parallel universe and intermittently travelling via a rift/flaw into ours, either accidentally or deliberately.

Reports of sizes and weights vary. The Michigan Dogman/Wisconsin Werewolf is around 150 - 200 pounds. But some reports are of 8 or 9 foot tall creatures that are quite muscular and heavy.

Most information suggests that Sasquatch are omnivores, but they will certainly eat meat. They have attacked humans before, sometimes in groups. They are either close to humans in intelligence, or possibly greater. There is also a question as to whether they have the ability to cloud minds or otherwise cloak themselves.

Beyond that, there have been reports of Sasquatch taking humans for mating purposes. Ending up a forest bride may well be worse than being eaten.

They've also been known to attack in groups, sometimes of six or more and throw rocks and otherwise use tools.

That would make them extremely dangerous. They might not even be the prey but rather the predator, hunting men like game for their own amusement.

If I were hunting one, I'd want a Heym double rifle in .470 NE. A double rifle gives the fastest second shot possible in a truly killing caliber and the Heym is about as affordable as doubles get. If possible, since Sasquatch will often attack at night, I'd want to try to get my rifle fitted with a thermal sight. Unlike conventional NVGs, it won't be clouded by fog or inclement weather - always a problem in the Pacific Northwest. I wouldn't want to go alone. Ideally, for a hunt, you're talking about a fair number of men, tracking dogs, and overhead aircraft using FLIR to try to identify the targets. It'd be more like war than any type of conventional big game hunting.

For protection? Probably a Wild West Guns Co Pilot in .45-70 loaded with specialty rounds from Garrett would be the most packable thing that I could think of. Ammo that would penetrate an elephant's skull should work if anything will. Any handgun will likely be a forlorn hope, but a 4" 629 also stoked with specialty loads from Garrett would be better than nothing and at least suffice to prevent becoming a forest bride. (A bit of googling will turn up reports of Sasquatch raping trees and cows. Poor cows...) If I could have a pack mule, then I'd take a FAL carbine alone. Why the pack mule? For all the spare mags.

I don't see an individual human having much of a chance unless it is a one off encounter with a single Sasquatch caught off guard.

If a long range shot presented itself, such as in actively hunting them down, then I'd want something like the expensive but very reliable Accuracy International AW series rifles in .338 Lapua. Even then, I'd honestly feel that I'd have the best chance of dropping one with elephant type power levels.
 
None of the above are a problem in Michigan. I worry about Wendigos in the North woods though.
 
None of the above are a problem in Michigan. I worry about Wendigos in the North woods though.

Michigan Dogman - has its own theme song even. Sasquatch has also been reported in Michigan, both LP and UP. The dogman might or might not be the same thing as the Wisconsin werewolf aka the "Beast of Bray Road".
 
Sir, any scientist worth his salt will tell you that what we know is dwarfed by what we don't. I try to keep an open mind--all manner of strange things are possible--but I'm skeptical by nature. An actual specimen will have to turn up before I'll believe.

JMHO, FWIW.

Hope this helps, and Semper Fi.

Ron H.
 
We both saw it,,, A mountain lion in a hurry.
I spoke to the park rangers next visit in the day and they said that mountain lions were rhumered<sp to be there, But never a pic taken..........

pred,

Up in NEPA, we have "rumored" mountain lions as well. The game commission denies their existence, but a few different people I know have seen them. Two of those people... me and my father. We were driving along one day when we saw a few cars and a game commission truck pulled off to the side. Some one had hit a mountain lion and they were dragging it off toward the truck. We saw it, no question. We slowed way down, so there was no doubt about it.

Another person (a friend of my GFs...) showed us a pictyre of one on their back deck! Yet...... they don't exist.....

Oh I forgot to mention...

I once took down a sasquatch with nothing but a spoon ;)

Seriously though... I KNOW there are species out there we haven't discovered. That's proven time and time again when new species are found deep in jungles.

If the Vatican can say Aliens may exist because saying they don't would be like putting a limitation on God's power, I'm not about to say a bigfoot type creature doesn't exist. Aliens by the way I absolutely do believe exist somewhere out in that ginormous universe. I don't really think they come flying over houses at night abducting people to probe though.
 
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Living close to the Bray road area is always interesting, the prison I work at is even closer. During that time our officers were afraid to do perimeter checks, one even claimed to have been chased by a wolf (it turned out to be a large dog). We had a lot of Silver bullet tours (the Coors kind) nothing like a bunch of drunks looking for a unknown creature.

I lived in Klamath Falls Or. for awhile and heard alot about Bigfoot there too, and I knew a guy from the Ranger Bat at Ft.Lewis who swore they ran into one in the Yakima training grounds.

I enjoy watching the programs and reading about them, but I have never seen one except in bars at closing time.
 
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I have got to get me one of those spoons!

Seriously though, I want very hard to believe, but common sense rears it's ugly head. I follow reported sightings through the various websites, and can usually whittle out what I believe is credible from the wierd. For instance, one persons idea of "Deep Woods" dosen't hold up to anothers. Someone who is not used to being outdoors will look at a patch of woods @30 acres and think they're in the deep wilderness. To someone willing to take the time, a squirrel couldn't move around it with out being observed. I also like all the photos shot intentionally out of focus or without something for comparison. While there are credible photos and videos out there, all the hoaxs tear down their credibility.

It is a joke with my wife that when ever she finds me being "unproductive", my response is that I'm hunting Bigfoot.
 
You're right about deep woods i knew a guy who got lost in a stand of trees only a 1/4 mile wide. I love going out in the deep woods, away from people and noise you can actually see the stars at night.


But i still haven't seen a Bigfoot, bears, Elk, Moose and even Badgers but no bigfoot.
 
Back to the gun issue, Ruger used to run ads about a guy who hunted gorillas in the Congo in the 1960's. I'm guessing that this was for museum habitat groups, and it was evidently still legal to shoot them then.

He had a Super Blackhawk and a .44 Magnum carbine. He shot at least one big gorilla, quite successfully. Others have shot grizzly bears with .44 Magnums, and I know of at least one killed by a S&W M-66 .357 and unspecified 158 grain .357 loads.

I suspect that most deer cartridges and rifles would suffice, although I'd like something larger than, say a .243. I doubt if more than a .375 H&H Magnum is needed.

T-Star
 
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