Bigfoot, Sasquatch, A. Snowman: Believers?

handejector said:
I don't believe in bikini-clad carjackers, either. Never seen one, dead or alive, no droppings, nothing. :rolleyes:

Would it take a .470 Double for them, too?
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Some sort of pneumatic net launcher would be in order, since presumably, one would want to capture a bikini carjacker alive and intact.

Unless they were like the one she that was really a he that used to work my block. Then... yeah... .470 double. Same theory as with Sasquatch owing to the danger of a forced mating ensuing. Solemn nod.
 
When I was in high school many moons ago, I had to wrestle heavyweight with my own weight being around 200lbs. I can absolutely say to all on this forum, that Bigfoot exists. He is 7' tall, 350lbs, hairy, smelly, ugly, and strong as two ox's. If I'd had a 29 or one of those new 500 Bear pistols, I might of beat him. I ran around the ring for awhile, until the big feller finally caught me, and I played dead until he left. I'm alive today because of my ability to stay calm and lay on my back perfectly still.
 
I worked for 7 years as a deputy sheriff in Wasco County, OR. That's the top of the Columbia River Gorge and it and the WA county across the river are one of the places with the highest number of of "sightings".

I don't remember the name but there was an outfit led by a guy named Peter Bern. Peter was a Brit and had spent years in Tibet and the surrounding areas looking for AS. He had traveled to all these remote monistariys to view skull caps, hides, teeth, scat and lord knows what else.

Due to political unstability he left there and came to Oregon to find Sasquatch. Hre never found anything that actually proved it's existance.

He then spent years in Wasco County looking for him and had no definitive evidence. Of course if I had a bunch of cute little granola aides hanging on my every word and aspending my off time drinking dine and fund raising I might have loved the gig. ;-)

One of the other deputies swore he saw Sasquach one night. I know that after driving alone through the deep woods for hours on end in the night, or even the day time, at gets kind of spooky after a while..

One of my cow camps is below the rim of Wild Horse Butte in Owyhee County, ID. I don't really believe in UFOs. Then one night there were these really strange lights up above the butte and then down on the flat below camp. The Air Force flys here all the time and uses the red light on top of the butte at the repeater site as a beacon/turn point. So I wasn't spooked at first. But, on a nice cold night with no wind you cxan here a coyote howl miles and miles away. The planes are noisy, so I just listened for the F15 and F16s or even the A10s. Nope, no engine noise. This went on for two hours on a moonless night. I even got the binoculars out. I could see the rings of Saturn and the TV towers 80 miles away on top Bennett Mountain but even though I knew where to look I did NOT see a plane.

When I got home I called the base and asked if they had been flying then. No.

About a month later a "F15" crashed down below Battle Creek. One of the cousins was bucarooing nearby and rode like Hell to help the pilot because he had seen the flash from the ejection seat. He helped the pilot and waited for the SR people to show up.

After he got back he drew the first sketches of the F19 Stealth F/B I had ever seen. The AF had told him to say it was a F15. Pike said "They didn't tell me I couldn't draw the darned thing". It had done the wings fly off when the carbon fiber cracks thing that they later became infamous for. It was officially released/identified about 6 months later.

I saw them a few times more over the years but knowing what they were made it much less scary. ;-)

Dad swore we were directly related to the original Douting Thomas. So till I see difinitive PROOF, I'll remain very very skeptical.

R W Thomas
 
Some always wonder whether Bigfoot woud be legal to hunt. I understand that some communities in the Pacific NW have banned that.

Probably a tourist ploy, but I think they also may be serious. Some of those people really believe in the animal.

I don't want to hunt one, as I think it'd be too like a human. I'd shoot baboons, but not a gorilla or chimp unless it was self defense.

But lets say that Bigfoot does attack and isn't carrying a limb, rock, or other deadly object. Does disparity of force apply? If I was the DA, I'd say yes.

By the way, I have yet to see any claim that Bigfoot makes any tools or weapons. Even chimps use tools, but they are items found or very simply made. Chimp DNA is over 99% the same as ours.

Some have suggested that Bigfoot is a remnant population of Gigantopithecus, a very large prehistoric ape. Maybe a similar species.

But in Asia, some people say there are several species, varying in sze and color.

I hope I live long enough to learn about at least one. The subject has fascinated me for years.

Oh: the Oregon deputy who posted about Peter Byrne above has some spelling issues. If you want to Search him, try this spelling. I believe he also has out one or more books. He is/was a former tiger hunter who got out of the shikar business when that ended. He impressed me as a promoter, but I can't swear that he isn't sincere.

I haven't heard of him in years. Does anyone know if he's still alive?
 
Texas Star said:
Some always wonder whether Bigfoot woud be legal to hunt. I understand that some communities in the Pacific NW have banned that.

Probably a tourist ploy, but I think they also may be serious. Some of those people really believe in the animal.

I don't want to hunt one, as I think it'd be too like a human. I'd shoot baboons, but not a gorilla or chimp unless it was self defense.

But lets say that Bigfoot does attack and isn't carrying a limb, rock, or other deadly object. Does disparity of force apply? If I was the DA, I'd say yes.

By the way, I have yet to see any claim that Bigfoot makes any tools or weapons. Even chimps use tools, but they are items found or very simply made. Chimp DNA is over 99% the same as ours.

Some have suggested that Bigfoot is a remnant population of Gigantopithecus, a very large prehistoric ape. Maybe a similar species.

But in Asia, some people say there are several species, varying in sze and color.

I hope I live long enough to learn about at least one. The subject has fascinated me for years.

Oh: the Oregon deputy who posted about Peter Byrne above has some spelling issues. If you want to Search him, try this spelling. I believe he also has out one or more books. He is/was a former tiger hunter who got out of the shikar business when that ended. He impressed me as a promoter, but I can't swear that he isn't sincere.

I haven't heard of him in years. Does anyone know if he's still alive?
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Since it would be a shame to leave anyone finding the Sasquatch thread via google hanging as to the answers -

Sasquatch Odyssey - The Hunt for Bigfoot - Peter Byrne says Peter is alive and well, but semi retired.

Some places in New York I think it was also banned the shooting of Bigfoot. It's been mentioned on Monster Quest a few times. "It's coming right for us Ned!" should suffice.

As to tools, there have been reports of the creatures shaping logs to use for their tree banging (the communication kind via thumping them with sticks, not the tree raping), constructing shelters and also using fire to some extent. I think another, old old story, involved one trying to smash open a can of food with a rock. Though I suppose it is still arguable as to what is making and what is just opportunistic use of found objects.

There's been an ongoing debate for years as to whether one ought shoot a Bigfoot on sight in order to obtain final and actual evidence of their existence. One theory is that this would then allow them to become a properly protected species. If you can find it, there is an entire issue of the Fortean Times devoted to the debate as the main feature. It came out in the mid 90s I think it was. Fortean Times, Fate, and so on continue to carry print reports.

In those areas without specific protection for Sasquatch, I'm not sure any laws would actually be broken. Since it isn't specifically human, it isn't murder. And since it isn't an animal that is specifically in or out of season, I don't think the game laws would apply. You could always say you thought it was a werewolf, though that defense did fail for a Wisconsin man on a carrying a concealed weapon's charge (he said his 9mm was for werewolf defense against the Bray Road Beast).

Coast to Coast AM also sometimes features stories about Sasquatch, as does the History Channel "Monster Quest" series which has had several episodes devoted to the topic. Loren Coleman is one of the more respected experts on the topic, in sofar as anyone is an expert. His books can be found at Borders, et al or ordered via Amazon.

Somewhere or another there are sighting maps to be found, and red dots will show up many places other than the PNW and Canada. Often these will be centered around swamps, though not always. There are numerous sightings in the Midwest, esp IL, MI, and WI.

Here's one of many places claiming that Sasquatch and aliens are related - Alien Abduction Experience and Research (AAER) at www.abduct.com

This one is interesting in that the guy who runs it has a PO Box address that was only a few numbers away from my old PO Box address in Okemos (the Beverly Hills of Lansing suburbia), though I never saw him when I'd pick up my prison pen pal letters late at night to avoid any surveillance. He probably picked up his mail on different randomly alternating late nights.

Oh, and finally, for those interested, here's the link for Heym Double rifles. Note the Professional Hunter model is probably just the ticket - HEYM USA | email: [email protected] A 1986 Guns Magazine article, or maybe it was Gunworld, had a nice feature on them back when they were "only" about $7800. They run about 18 to 20 something last I checked (I actually did seriously consider getting one) depending on options which can include having a set of 20 gauge shotgun barrels fit.

YouTube - .470 N.E. (3) shows a Heym in use and YouTube - Warthog Shot in South Africa 470 Nitro purports to show a warthog being shot with a .470 NE round (rifle type not specified). Note that it would seem to make a fine hog gun when it comes to one shot stops as well. Here of course is the water jug test, wherein we see that a Heym will also kill 5 gallon water jugs YouTube - .470 Nitro Express vs. water jug

http://www.doublerifleshooterssociety.com/ is devoted to the appreciation of fine doubles, but I'm not aware if they have an official model approved for Sasquatch.
 
Joni_Lynn said:
I wonder how a 470 double rifle would work on these pesky Pennsylvania groundhogs?
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I'm just guessing here, but about like a .30-06 on a squirrel. You get a head and a tail, and that's about it.

As for Bigfoot, et al., it's certainly possible that they exist, but not very likely. How could they leave absolutely no physical evidence? Aliens, OTOH, are much more likely. If scientists believe that we evolved from amoeba over millions of years, and the universe is billions of years old, then why couldn't it have happened on another rock out there some where?
 
I've always believed many planets support life in various stages of evolution. To think otherwise is to doubt the power of God. Why would He give life to only one planet, out of billions upon billions?

Some are more advanced than us, some are less. Scientists discover more 'facts' every day.

Back to your channel.
 
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Sqawhomish* county, Washington has also banned shooting/killing a Bigfoot. They must belive in it's existance, because there is no town in the county big enough to attract tourists.



* I have NO IDEA how to spell this right, but thats what it sounds like.
 
Joni_Lynn said:
I wonder how a 470 double rifle would work on these pesky Pennsylvania groundhogs?
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Well just to be on the safe side, the Heym "Jumbo" can be had in .600 NE. What you could do is start with the .470 and then if one charges, have your gun bearer bring the .600 to bear. It always was a fine charge stopper.

therevjay said:
Sqawhomish* county, Washington has also banned shooting/killing a Bigfoot. They must belive in it's existance, because there is no town in the county big enough to attract tourists.
* I have NO IDEA how to spell this right, but thats what it sounds like.
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Could be a conspiracy. I wonder if the county supervisor is mysteriously very tall, muscular, and has to shave a lot with errant patches of fur sticking out of his suit....
 
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It'd be easier to say that it/they do exist, but if so, why have there never been ANY trail cam pics? Those things have shown cougars, wolverines and even more secretive animals too many times to count. And some TCs are in quite remote locations, as opposed to a short drive from town. The government has yet to give any indication of these existing. People are people, and regardless of vocation can be convinced they saw what they did not. This includes peoples of long ago. In short, I can't help but believe that in a world where we got almost bored with going to the moon over 25 years ago, that something this important hasn't been proved outright. There must be thousands of people of high education genuinely looking for these creatures--and yet no hard and fast evidence. As was said--SHOW ME, don't tell me. Now as to what sidearm, I'd use my M29 with 240-grain soft tips. (May as well have a cap gun, tho'.)
 
John Eilertson said:
It'd be easier to say that it/they do exist, but if so, why have there never been ANY trail cam pics? Those things have shown cougars, wolverines and even more secretive animals too many times to count.
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This came up in the "other" bigfoot thread (the one more focused on do you shoot one or not). Apparently they can hear/sense/something or another the trail cams. Or possibly they put off EMF waves that mess them up. Also possibly all trail cams have secret parts installed so that if they capture an image of a bigfoot, gray alien, werewolf or green glowing radioactive monkey that escaped from the Army lab (seriously, anyone seen him?) that said trail cam will then signal one of the orbitting spy satellite and alert the nearest team of Men In Black to alter, tamper or replace said camera.

The MIBs don't have to worry about vampires, they don't show up on film (or digital image).
 
They are real and each yr there is more evidence of such. People do not see deer often and there are hundreds of millions of them. So if we can consider there being only a few hundred of them worldwide, the sightings will be very few.

The reason for few quality photos is simple. People do not go into remote areas with good cameras or large guns expecting to see one.

Trail cameras have caught a few but the naysayers claim the images are fake. Supposedly there has been a couple of bodies found and being studied but I have not seen one personally.
 
John Eilertson said:
It'd be easier to say that it/they do exist, but if so, why have there never been ANY trail cam pics?
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This question and many others are all answered by Bear Hunter during his interview with the self-described trustafarian revolutionary patriotic leftist journalist. -- Bigfoot can hear trail cams from far off distances so they just stay away from them.

oldman45 said:
They are real and each yr there is more evidence of such. People do not see deer often and there are hundreds of millions of them. So if we can consider there being only a few hundred of them worldwide, the sightings will be very few.

The reason for few quality photos is simple. People do not go into remote areas with good cameras or large guns expecting to see one.
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Can you tell this has been heavily photoshopped to make it appear to be a deer?

 
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Well:

The trained scientist in me says "no". We are trained that the answer is no until proven yes. That's why we use a "null hypothesis". And, in Biology, there are no "laws" like in chemistry (Le Chatelier's Law says a gas will expand to fill a container; Le Chateliers Theorem says a species will expand to fill all available habitat). Someone once told me cocker spaniels are the nicest of dogs, very well tempered (I can show you the scar!). The same thing about woolly howlers-again I can show you that scar also! And rosy boas (no scar but you get the picture!)

The romantic in me says, it'd be nice. And, "There are more things, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy".

Historically, some pretty BIG animals have been found in the last 100 years in new areas or as new species. I remember my Marine Ecology prof telling me we know much more about the backside of the moon than we do about the bottom of the sea. The reason I became a biologist is the mystery of life.

So, professionally "No, I don't believe they exist"

As a person, "I sure as heck hope they do!"
 
This has been more fun than a goat roping. Some observations, opinions and comments. It is amazing what we pass every day without observing it because we are too busy, in a hurry or preoccupied with something that is important. We have for the most part lost that instinct to know what is around us at any given time because we are "civilized". Coyotes live in our back yards yet we see very little of them because we do not "see" or sense.

As to being wary of humans (so we don't see them), who can blame them. If you were a "bigfoot" and had the opportunity to observe humans would you want to interact with us? I wouldn't and don't any more than I have to. To be honest, after reading the last 8 pages of comments, I am further reinforced that minimal contact is a good thing.

Why is our first reaction to something we don't know and understand is to shoot it. Kinda reminds me of my old Daddy. If he didn't understand it, he'd whup it and if he still didn't understand it, he'd whup it until it made sense. Of course that could explain his 10 marriage track record, not to mention his lack of parenting skills. Heck, he may have been a bigfoot and we just thought he was different although he was about the size of one.

Which reminds me to address the tree raping. Why is everybody having such a hard time with that? Hey, it may work for him/them/you'll. Certainly cuts down on the need for conversation, and just think how many lawyers would starve with no marriage court, alimony, property settlements. Heck I could go on but I'm afraid if I think of anymore positives, I may be a convert. If I have to look at another Walmart hottie (sic) that oak tree will probably get to looking a lot better.

Now, can we all take a deep breath and say that we will only believe what we can see, hear, taste, pass through our lower intestines ? I think not. We believe in a lot of possibilities and act on them everyday, such as living with the one you married since you said "till death us do part" or that you'll never hear your child say "Dad, Mom, I'm gay". What I'm saying is that we get in a rut, do not use our minds, do not consider the possibilities ( can you imagine being able to go back to when your grandparents were born and tell that generation that we were going to put a man on the moon?) You would be in the rubber Ramada. Look at medicine,; organ transplants, stem cell research, tissue and organ regeneration, and who would have thought that it would happen in such a short time. And not so that anyone would get delusional and think that we are at the top of the intelligence chain, the more smarter we get, it seems like the more discoonnected we get from everythign around us including each other. Now how smart is that.
As to six or seven bigfoots taking up stones at the cabin, at least it looks to me like they stick together and act together for their common good. Now adays we will walk by someone who needs us, people will gather around and gawk but offer no help, will not unite against a common foe for the good of the community of all.

If you see one, don't shoot it. It's a living breathing creature and probably trying to get back to its own where it feels safe.

As to my own thoughts, I don't know but I won't say they don't, but if anyone sees one, post the last known sighting coordinates because the way the world is looking from what we've made it, I may try to find them and see if they will take me in. If that happens I promise to get back to you on the reason fro the fascination with the tree thingy (you know what I mean)
 
Time to chime in

Howdy,
I make fun of everyone I meet that believes in Bigfoot.
On the other hand around 1970 I predicted self serve gas would never catch on and two or three years ago I declared Osama Bin Laden dead and buried in a bombed cave never to be discovered. Seems like I'm most wrong on the big calls?
I still think Bigfoot is a product of big talkers.
Thanks
Mike
 
John Eilertson said:
It'd be easier to say that it/they do exist, but if so, why have there never been ANY trail cam pics?
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If you follow BogFoot research, you will find several photos of potential BF creatures made with trailcams. These photos are always studied to make them authentic. Most are deemed as fakes such as men in costumes. Some are not able to be confirmed or disputed. A very few appear to be the real deal.

Since I have not seen one personally but know a very creditible man that has, I have a big interest in the study of BigFoot. I have seen enough firm evidence to say they exist but are very few in number and smart in the ways of the wild.

Every few years, another species is located that has been unknown to the world beforehand. Who is to say that a BF is not possible?
 
Evertyone knows Bigfoot exists and was discovered by Steve Austin. He was controlled by Stephaine Powers, who is an alien from another planet.

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I have a photo (non-digital, or I would show you) of a bigfoot footprint, taken near Mount Lassen in 1983. My kid has never believed it to be real, but it is, and anybody who says different is a damn liar.
 
GatorFarmer said:
Beyond that, there have been reports of Sasquatch taking humans for mating purposes. Ending up a forest bride may well be worse than being eaten.QUOTE]

I just wanna be there when one tries that with Joni Lynn. He'll be in for a big surprise!!!!:D
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I always get sucked into the bigfoot documentaries and whatnot on the history channel or discovery channel. I am totally on the fence as to whether or not they are out there. One thing that peaks my interest is stories from policemen and the like that had encounters with what they knew was not an ordinary known animal. LEO's are trained to notice and recall details of their observations. If a cop says he saw something he thinks was a sasquatch, i would tend to give him/her the benefit of the doubt. I would be scared out of my mind if I was in the deerstand at just about dark and saw something like that!


What I also found particularly interesting was on a history channel documentary where some witnesses underwent a polygraph test and the test results concluding that they were not lying about their encounters and that at the very least they truly believed that they had an encounter with a bigfoot. Also, a specialist trained in reading body language in interviews who has worked for homeland security came to the same conclusion, those witnesses truly believed they saw a bigfoot. In other words, they were telling the truth, about something. Whether or not they saw bigfeet is unknown.

I watched the series "Finding Bigfoot" this summer on discovery. Alot of very interesting stories from alot of seemingly normal, reasonable people. Some incidents are just not easily explained as encounters with known animals.

For protection from a 'squatch', I'll take a 460 S@W in a shoulder rig, with a Win m70 Supergrade chambered in 300 Win Mag. I wouldnt think they would have cape buffalo-thick hide, so my guess is any cartridge that works on the rest of the critters in North America should work just fine on a squatch.
 
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