Bought a NEW 629 Deluxe...does this look new to you?

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Bought this gun last week and it arrived at my dealer yesterday. It was sold as a FACTORY NEW gun. Does this look like a new gun to you guys and would you be satisfied with it?

I should also mention that closing the cylinder is a little "sticky" right at the end, but that could be just due to being new and a little tight. Could not tell you when I last bought a NEW S&W revolver, so I'm not sure.

I left it at the dealer for now until I can talk to the seller, but wanted to get some additional opinions while I wait. Thanks.

(note the first picture has some sticker residue from part of the packaging...will come right off and is not a concern to me)
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Rob
 
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If that is factory new I would sure had to see a used example. Without a doubt I would decline to go through with the purchase and sent it back unless an acceptable price accommodation can be worked out between you and the seller, assuming you will be happy with a revolver in this condition.
 
The face of the cylinder shows evidence of two shots fired in two side-by-side chambers. There is evidence of of shooting residue around the barrel stub, but I did not examine that area that closely.

Rob
 
Mine is absolutely NOT the definitive answer but I'll say that I've seen more than a couple S&W revolvers that only had the factory original two shots and evidence shows on the cylinder, NEVER adjacent chambers. Never seen that ever. Always opposite sides. On a 5-shot Model 69, there was at least one chamber between the two test chambers.
 
What I said in my email to the seller is that a gun sold as FACTORY NEW should arrive in NEW CONDITON.

That said, if I return it, I don't know when/if I'd be able to get another as these are OOS everywhere except Gunbroker. I don't mind used guns that work. How much would you need to get discounted to be happy with this gun? 20%?

rob
 
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Well, I see some cosmetic issues which may have been made during the manufacturing process. The turn line could have been made during fitting. The stop notches are sharp, there is not cartridge case markings on the face, the cylinder stop has a minor wear spot.

I would have to see the forcing cone and see if there is any flame cutting on the topstrap. It's a dash 6, so if I remember right, has a hole on the other side over the thumbpiece, so that is enough for me to send it back.
 
What is that in the bolt notch in the third picture. Did you put something in frame to show up the numbers looks really dark, dirty. dented front sight . Sorry id pass. To many questions. Dont like all the scratches at all angles. I wouldnt take it for half price. Dont settle, you wont be happy. Wait for a real new or better used one. My 2 cents.
 
What are you looking to buy, a safe queen or a shooter? If a safe queen, I might pass on that one and consider buying directly through a distributor. If a shooter, and it was a fair price, you have your revolver!

Was the sale an auction?

Kevin
 
You didn't say if the gun came from a large dealer or a distributor. If it was a small mom and pop shop then my suspicions rise... If that is truly a new gun then it needs to go back to the guys that made it. Otherwise, you were duped with either a heavy handled display model or a used gun.
 
Thank you for posting this as a tool for our learning. To me, although sold as new, it may well have passed through several hands with "the story of New", perhaps enhanced along the way.

Even though the evidence in hand speaks volumes against the assertion of it's being new. Of course, any accoutrements of box, papers, tools, label are also witnesses - if available.

Good luck.
 
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It came from a store with a couple of locations who sells a lot of guns on GB. Not naming names until there is an outcome. They say they only sell factory new guns. It was a fixed price sale and they had 3 when I first looked at it and still 2 when I bought.

It came in the factory box with everything, including the VCI paper and the sticker that says not to store loaded guns in the case (and that sticker was stuck partly to the gun and partly to the VCI paper).

No reply yet to my email from yesterday. I'll call them later if I haven't heard back.

Rob
 
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It sure does not look new to me. If it is it has been handled a lot and rough handling at that. Definitely not new condition.
 
For me it looks like a display model that have been handled and probably shot with. Look at the front sight, it looks like the red part have been repaired to cover some damage.

drgbike said:
What is that in the bolt notch in the third picture. Did you put something in frame to show up the numbers looks really dark, dirty.
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This is unfortunately how many new guns look like that are shipped from the factory.
 
Received a positive reply from the seller today:

I took a look at your photos and I am sorry to see that you recieved your firearm like this. We absolutely do not shoot our firearms. We sell them new from the manufacture and we just recieved this from our manufacture on the 9th of April.

I do not have any more of these to exchange with you but I can offer you a 150.00 discount on the firearm to keep it and have it cleaned up. Otherwise, I can send a label to your dealer and process a full refund when it comes back.

Please let me know what you'd like to do.


Now to decide what to do.

Rob
 
If I call S&W about it, I wonder what they would say? Maybe they'll take it back in for a checkup and cleanup.

Rob
 
Regardless of whether it's been shot, it certainly shows signs of extensive handling. I would perform the same of functional checks you would on a used revolver (which frankly is a good idea even on one where "factory newness" is not in dispute).

If some fool has been bogarting it, the yoke could be slightly sprung, which could cause stickiness opening and closing the cylinder (and also account for the pronounced turn line).
 
Teddydog said:
Received a positive reply from the seller today:

I took a look at your photos and I am sorry to see that you recieved your firearm like this. We absolutely do not shoot our firearms. We sell them new from the manufacture and we just recieved this from our manufacture on the 9th of April.

I do not have any more of these to exchange with you but I can offer you a 150.00 discount on the firearm to keep it and have it cleaned up. Otherwise, I can send a label to your dealer and process a full refund when it comes back.

Please let me know what you'd like to do.


Now to decide what to do.

Rob
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I think this is a reasonable offer ,sounds like good people to deal with .
I fully believe the revolver pictured is a new gun , I don't think the factory spends a lot of time polishing anymore
The breech face shows no recoil marks that I can see
You can polish the gun yourself if the half done finish is bothering you
I know I would be breaking out the mag polish and enjoying the ownership of another fine 44
 
This is just terrible. It brings back bad, and very recent memories of nausea for me. I know how you must be feeling because the same thing happened to me, from a major seller on GB too. I however did not need any second opinions about the guns condition, not insulting you for asking, not at all, this gun was just so bad that I knew it was going back. This seller however did not seem at all surprised that I didnt want it and was not going to keep it. For $1250 it was just unacceptable, literally.
If I were you I'd send it straight back and deal with someone else. There are good people out there. The guy I bought the replacement from understated his 686's condition in a huge way, I felt very fortunate to have found him.
Your gun is not new.
 
Will you be in it for less than $1k after his $150 refund? If so you are probably in it correctly for 2021 pricing.
 
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