Hmmm, don’t see that Middle tower support in the news footage. I wonder if it’s important.
Bridge Collapse in Miami, FL
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For those of you that know what it's like to build something using government funds I can just imagine what the plans looked like. This was built using the Government's Tiger Program and started in 2013. Total projected cost??????
$123,809,794
Yes that's right, this is not an error. It was started in 2013. Five years to build a bridge???? The Empire State Building was built in one and a half years including the demolition of the building already on the site. Do you think there was any of the usual government red tape and bureaucracy???? I was in the construction business in one way or another for 42 years. Government jobs are always a major headache with money flushed away on things not needed and people to answer to that wouldn't know a tenpenny nail from an airless paint sprayer.
https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/TIGER_2013_FactSheets.pdf
$123,809,794
Yes that's right, this is not an error. It was started in 2013. Five years to build a bridge???? The Empire State Building was built in one and a half years including the demolition of the building already on the site. Do you think there was any of the usual government red tape and bureaucracy???? I was in the construction business in one way or another for 42 years. Government jobs are always a major headache with money flushed away on things not needed and people to answer to that wouldn't know a tenpenny nail from an airless paint sprayer.
https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/docs/TIGER_2013_FactSheets.pdf
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I thought the truss looked a bit shallow for the span. I did not know there was a suspension component not yet installed. I cannot believe the gross negligence of the construction company and the local government for allowing traffic under it while "stress testing" or for that matter any traffic under that bridge until it was complete, tested and inspected. This smells of corruption or somebody trying to "look good" by not inconveniencing the public.
I know it's early yet, but I think the investigation will uncover some people that should go to prison for negligent homicide.
Yep...I bet John Morgan is getting pretty lathered up about it as we speak.
Damn good questions.....This thing was not scheduled to be completed until sometime in 2009....Indeed people should be going to jail...and the first people are the people who allowed traffic under this bridge.
TomkinsSP
Member
Uh, because it's easier to add water to concrete and embezzle the cost of unused cement?
TomkinsSP
Member
This just in: Governor Le Petomaine announces a 400 million dollar bill to protect the public from collapsing pedestrian bridges. Three point eight million dollars, nearly one percent, will go to establishing standards and inspection...
rog8732
US Veteran
In reading the article yesterday the "Figg" outfit said
"nothing like this has ever happen in our past".
Some of you coastal Virginians can help my memory here. Wasn't "Figg" the outfit that built a Norfolk bridge a few years ago that COLLAPSED?!?
"nothing like this has ever happen in our past".
Some of you coastal Virginians can help my memory here. Wasn't "Figg" the outfit that built a Norfolk bridge a few years ago that COLLAPSED?!?
Any time you add anything to mud it changes everything from cure time to tensile strength. I haven't been involved in masonry work in over 30 years but adding titanium dioxide must be carefully mixed. Any clumping/concentrating subtracts strength way more than "rock pockets." Joe
per post #26...
"...Three point eight million dollars, nearly one percent, will go to establishing standards and inspection... "
There is inspections, standards, cement "Slump test" and cable test thatare on all construction jobs and checked by city inspectors.
However there are a few inspectors that will let things pass or slide by, if the Contractor makes it worth their while. It just happens.
We had a bridge tear down in Reno, where the cement beams on the bottom of the bridge had alum. cans, bottles and garbage in the cement.
On big jobs today, we need State and Federal inspectors to help stop low standards, to help make a larger profit, at the public's cost and safety and make sure the correct materials are used and placed correctly.
Most jobs have a safety rating added on to the building of a structure.
However you can only cut so may legs off a chair before something happens.
"...Three point eight million dollars, nearly one percent, will go to establishing standards and inspection... "
There is inspections, standards, cement "Slump test" and cable test thatare on all construction jobs and checked by city inspectors.
However there are a few inspectors that will let things pass or slide by, if the Contractor makes it worth their while. It just happens.
We had a bridge tear down in Reno, where the cement beams on the bottom of the bridge had alum. cans, bottles and garbage in the cement.
On big jobs today, we need State and Federal inspectors to help stop low standards, to help make a larger profit, at the public's cost and safety and make sure the correct materials are used and placed correctly.
Most jobs have a safety rating added on to the building of a structure.
However you can only cut so may legs off a chair before something happens.
gdc123
Member
Now seems to be the time to send a few engineers to Miami from
Memphis to learn what not to do......very tragic.
FIGG, which provides design, engineering and construction services, was cited by the Virginia Department of Labor for four violations in 2012 after a 90-ton piece of concrete fell from a bridge under construction near Norfolk, Virginia. The builder did not get the manufacturer's written consent before it modified a girder that ultimately failed, causing the concrete to crash to the ground, according to the Virginia Pilot Ledger.
MCM construction sites, meanwhile, have been inspected eight times by the federal government since 2013 and fined on four occasions for violations worth more than $50,000. The company has also faced a slew of standard negligence and personal liability cases — typical in the industry. A contractual dispute with a subcontractor that walked off the job resulted in a $143,000 judgment against MCM; the subcontractor cited safety issues with the project, a $13.5 million bridge reconstructing project on Red Road.
There's more about both companies at the link.
MCM construction sites, meanwhile, have been inspected eight times by the federal government since 2013 and fined on four occasions for violations worth more than $50,000. The company has also faced a slew of standard negligence and personal liability cases — typical in the industry. A contractual dispute with a subcontractor that walked off the job resulted in a $143,000 judgment against MCM; the subcontractor cited safety issues with the project, a $13.5 million bridge reconstructing project on Red Road.
There's more about both companies at the link.
OP
Thanks all for the feed back.
Like I said, what a mess.
Special shout out to Fishslayer. Dade Aviation Consultants... Geez.
There's a boil on behinds resurfacing.
and Hey, Nevada Ed! You should have seen what all got dumped into the forms for Miami Metrorail!
Like I said, what a mess.
Special shout out to Fishslayer. Dade Aviation Consultants... Geez.
There's a boil on behinds resurfacing.
and Hey, Nevada Ed! You should have seen what all got dumped into the forms for Miami Metrorail!
TomkinsSP
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Jimmy Hoffa?
bill2000
Member
Found this this morning. After the shooting I thought things couldn't get any worse for government. Looks like I was mistaken. Is anybody minding the store???
FDOT warned about FIU bridge cracking 2 days before fatal collapse - but didn't hear voicemail - abcactionnews.com WFTS-TV
FDOT warned about FIU bridge cracking 2 days before fatal collapse - but didn't hear voicemail - abcactionnews.com WFTS-TV
vonn
US Veteran
A tragedy,but will anyone be held responsible?
bill2000
Member
Come on, this is government. Whoever was responsible will get transferred of demoted and will continue to draw a salary till they retire with a pension. Government is NOT a real world endeavor.
