Bring Back Mental Institutions

[Grayfox]

With this latest shooting in Minneapolis, once again a nut job has taken innocent lives. The Dems will scream gun control, but as we all know, it ain't about guns. Its about mental illness and its become epidemic in our nation.
Enough is enough! I just sent e-mails to both my Senators, my Representative and my state legislators calling for the return of mental institutions. We lock criminals away for our protection. Sick people go to hospitals. Why shouldn't the mentally ill be confined for the general public's safety?
Of course the left will go on and on about they have rights. That's what ended those institutions to start with. But don't we, the citizens have a right to be safe from them?
We will have to be careful about this. Laws will have to be changed. Both Doctors and Judges will have to legally deem these people a threat to themselves and others. A suspected person will probably have to be held for a few days and be properly evaluated by professionals.
If a mentally ill person commits a crime and gets arrested, it will likely be obvious that they need help. But what about the many who fly under the radar? Surely, family and friends will see the signs, but can they turn this person in and get them help. One of the big worries about "Red Flag" laws was that people would use them against innocent people for revenge purposes. Could that happen here?
Discussion is open. What y'all think?

 

[fordson]

What I think is I am angry and deeply saddened by this latest act of violence. More young children and innocent people killed and hurt. For right now that's all I can think…..I'll get back to you later…….

 

[GnarlsR2]

Seeing the news on this horrific evil is very sad and depressing.

Mental illness, transgenderism, involuntary treatment laws, psychiatry, clinical psychology are all a VERY complex set of issues. Then adding the prescription drugs as a from of common treatment, are known to cause very serious side effects … "depression, acute anxiety, irrational behavior, sudden mood swings, suicidal thoughts, or death".

If a person has Bipolar 1 Disorder and has a sudden episode of uncontrollable irrational angry behavior, can someone witnessing the event decide that intervention is necessary?

Who decides what is the best help? Do the doctors at a hospital decide and can commit the person to involuntary treatment?

What about the specific laws regarding mental disorders?

Arizona Revised Statutes (A.R.S.) Title 36, Chapter 5, Sections 504-544 govern the civil commitment process for involuntary evaluation and treatment of individuals with mental disorders in Arizona. These sections outline when court-ordered treatment can be mandated for individuals deemed a danger to themselves or others, having a persistent or acute disability, or being gravely disabled, especially if they are unwilling or unable to accept voluntary treatment. The law specifies the procedures for petitions, court orders for treatment, the types of treatment available, the duration of court-ordered treatment (up to 365 days), and the responsibilities of treatment agencies.

Who is qualified to monitor treatment? Who pays for the treatment? Will forced treatment provoke more mental disability?

Who is protecting the person's well-being, best interest, protection against medical malpractice or fraud?

There are many barriers for an individual who may be seeking voluntary treatment:

"Attitudinal barriers

• Stigma and shame: Fear of judgment from friends, family, or society is a major deterrent. Internalized stigma can also cause a person to feel embarrassment or shame about their condition, making it difficult to even acknowledge the problem.
• Preference for self-reliance: Many people prefer to handle their problems on their own and believe they can overcome their issues with willpower, or that their problems are not "serious enough" to warrant professional help.
• Distrust of the system: Past bad experiences, fear of involuntary commitment, or general mistrust of the healthcare system can prevent individuals from seeking care.
• Low mental health literacy: A lack of awareness or education about mental health and available treatments makes it hard for people to recognize their symptoms and know where to get help.

Systemic and financial barriers

• Cost and insurance: The cost of treatment can be prohibitively expensive, and insurance coverage for mental health care is often inadequate compared to physical health care.
• Lack of access and providers: Many areas suffer from a shortage of mental health professionals. This is particularly pronounced in rural areas, leading to long wait times and difficulties in finding a provider who specializes in the patient's needs and accepts their insurance.
• Lack of culturally competent care: Individuals from marginalized communities, including many people of color, may face additional barriers due to systemic racism, stereotypes, and a lack of providers who can understand their background and experiences."

The problem is very complex without a criminal element. Adding violent criminal behavior makes this entire human depravity an extremely difficult societal problem to overcome. Does incarcerating the criminal solve the problem?

As a society, before we can fix it, we need to understand the cause and treat the cause and not just the symptoms.

The morality aspect of the issue is another entirely huge aspect.

 

[Ματθιας]

GenZ, go on any social media and you can see how depraved, sexualized, shameless, confused and hopeless GenZ really is. Because they grew up online and easy access to whatever and the dark web, nothing is taboo. Nothing. I'm not saying all of them are like that, but a sizable minority are.

That's all I can say without getting dinged.

Nothing they do surprises me.

 

[ladder13]

Before the blood dried up the ghouls were calling for gun control.

I'm with The Last Standing Knight, this incident and many others are evil at work, period.

 

[LVSteve]

GnarlsR2 mentioned the stigma of treatment. Read this piece on a case in the UK where the father refused treatment for his girl. She has now gone away for 15 years.

Ammanford stabbing report finds girl was fascinated by weapons and war

The teenager, who was interested in war and Hitler, had been considered "quirky" prior to the attack.

www.bbc.com

 

[hsguy]

This is not the time for politics and speculation with two children dead and 14 other children fighting for their lives. Thread closed.