Bring Back the 9mm J and K frames??

[Outrider]

KKG,

Don't fret...

I've also always been fascinated with whether semi-autos like 1006s will cycle underwater -- if ever pulled under by a hippo or a crock...

(By crikey! The odds are on that event, too...

)

 

[norfdet]

Originally posted by scout:
have no concern about placing quicker and accurate followup shots, have money to burn or do not plan on shooting much, and subscribe to the "everyone knows reloads will never be needed in a shooting incident" school of self defense; or you view the 9mm Parabellum round as nothing but inadequate in all its incarnations; then the 9mm snub has little or nothing to offer you.

Never had a problem with shooting or accurate follow up shots, I view the 9mm as essentially the same bullet diameter as the 38 and 357, however I do know that if you bend that moonclip you essentially have a hammer which was why I sold my 940 years ago (not to mention the added aggrevation of having to fiddle with loading an unloading the moonclips during a range session). If I get my model 60 converted by TK Customs then I can shoot and reload using moonclips as fast as one would with a 940 and with the advent of SB ammo from Speer in both 9mm/38/357 haven't they essentially leveled the playing field?

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

I'd Buy Either!!
In Fact I Did!!

I think The 9mm Is a Great cartridge & deserves alot more respect than it gets..
Gary/Hk
M547 & M940

 

[otis24]

I am not in the know on this, but I would surmise that many of the revolvers that did so, went away before the widespread popularity and legality of CCW. Now that many more people are both arming themselves and educating themselves, I can see the marketability of many former slow-sellers. For many, the revolver is still a popular choice for CCW. I am guessing that many might consider a 9MM revolver as a viable choice for carry. I love a revolver but figure anything I need to accomplish can be done with a .38/.357 round.

 

[scout]

The risk of bending a moonclip can be reduced by carrying them in some type of protective carrier. Short of buying extra moonclips to pre-load prior to a range trip, one could lessen the hassle of loading/unloading the same clips by just loading and shooting loose rounds at the range and extracting them with a dowel, if necessary.

I do not have any experience shooting a moonclip converted gun in revolver rounds like the .38 or .357, but I have heard others say that the longer, traditionally revolver rounds do not chamber as smoothly from the moonclips as the shorter moonclipped semi-auto cartridges (i.e., 9mm and .45 ACP). A small thing, but the shorter semi-auto cartridges should also require a shorter stroke of the ejector rod to clear the cylinder. Of course the actual experience reported by some members is that some 940s had sticky or worse extraction of cases.

Other than .22 LR, I do not know of any factory ammo cheaper to shoot than 9mm.

Nothing wrong with a M60 though, moonclipped or not.

 

[norfdet]

I would agree that unloading is definitely faster with the moonclipped revolvers than sometimes with a traditional revolver, although I have had cases stick with both.

What I would be interested to see if anyone would bring it back into production were the rimmed 9mm cartridges that started the trend and then see a revolver designed to shoot those rounds. Because production was so short, I have never actually seen a photo of a rimmed 9mm round or how it compares to the current rimless 9mm rounds. I would imagine that if the ammo was made that a 6 shot j-frame in a rimmed 9mm version would be a hugh seller.

 

[norfdet]

Headknocker,

Based on your photo above, can you post some side by side comparisons of the 2 9mm cartridges (assuming that those are 9mm cartridges in the speed loaders). I would also be interested in some ballistic data if you have any on the rimmed 9mm rounds.

Thanks

 

[HEADKNOCKER]

Those are both standard 9mm Nyclads in the Photo, Thanks DC7!!

The 547s speedloaders are specific to the 547, I have three HKS & Three Safarilands for it..
For the 940 I use TK Moonclips for Ruger SP101/S&W940..There .005" thicker than the Factory S&W Moon Clips..
My 940 has been reamed to 38 Super & there's quite a difference in lenth between the 9mm & 38 Super..
I have no balistic data, as I don't have access to a Chronograph..
Also I have never in person saw any 9mm rimmed cartridges, They Do/Did exist..
I'll see if I can't find a Link I once saw on the topic..
Gary

 

[paddywonka]

With Crimson Trace grips,no safety to fumble with,or slide to rack,loaded with a mix of Speer 124grGDHP and Winchester 147grSXT ammo,this 940 has been my daily companion for 3 years.Nearly 100ft-lbs. more energy than the 38special. The clips have been used and carried many a time,and have yet to bend one.In a jacket,front or hip pocket,holstered in a DeSantis Nemesis,a real snag free handgun,with a butter smooth double action trigger.No large flash to blind you at night.Can reliabley fire 5 shots through a jacket pocket,with out a hitch or having to show your hand..did'nt do much for the coat,but tried it,and it works.If this sounds a little bias,it's because I have total faith in this little Smith.I own and carry Glocks,Colts and Walthers,but if ever limited to one handgun,this would be the one.

 

[norfdet]

Originally posted by HEADKNOCKER:
Those are both standard 9mm Nyclads in the Photo, Thanks DC7!!

The 547s speedloaders are specific to the 547, I have three HKS & Three Safarilands for it..
For the 940 I use TK Moonclips for Ruger SP101/S&W940..There .005" thicker than the Factory S&W Moon Clips..
My 940 has been reamed to 38 Super & there's quite a difference in lenth between the 9mm & 38 Super..
I have no balistic data, as I don't have access to a Chronograph..
Also I have never in person saw any 9mm rimmed cartridges, They Do/Did exist..
I'll see if I can't find a Link I once saw on the topic..
Gary

I know they used to exist and for the life of me, I can't remember who made them. I also think that Ruger or Charter Arms had a Federal 9mm which had less to do with Federal cartridge than it did with Ruger or Charter Arms having a proprietary caliber that never took off. IIRC

 

[casingpoint]

Roughly the same 9mm ballistics can be had by shooting the short barrel Speer 135 grain .357 MAG round or the Remington mid-velocity 125 grain in .357 MAG in a snubnose, with a choice of ultra light to solid steel guns. They should well suffice for anyone who insists on a 9mm revolver.

 

[rdrancher]

I'd be interested in a lightweight 9mm pocket snubby (no lock) - but I'd like to see some ballistic data from a 1-7/8" barrel.

I would think that the 9mm would be very, very close to the .38 Special in that regard. So, what would be the point?

rd

 

[blairgarber]

The tooling and machines for the 547 are gone for good, they were scrapped in the early 90's when a friend of mine was a product manager at S&W. Personally (and I've read the posts) I just don't see what a 9mm would do in a revolver that the .38spl won't. Even without hand loading. As a matter of fact once you factor in that anyone can reload the .38spl with a lee priming tool, dies, hand press, and a dipper it makes no sense to want the 9mm in a revolver for more than it's novelty. And let me say I have nothing against the 9mm auto in fact Ted Yost is building me a Hi-Power right now, but it's not a very good revolver cartridge and that's a fact.

/b

 

[norfdet]

Originally posted by blairgarber:
in fact Ted Yost is building me a Hi-Power right now,
/b

I've got a Novak Hi-Power but I would love to see your Yost when you finally get it.