British Contract Colt New Service .455 Webley WWI Revolver/AEF service

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Here for your viewing pleasure is Colt New Service .455 Eley (Webley) revolver serial number 126149 which was 1 of 500 shipped to the London Armoury Company on December 26, 1916. It had an interesting service life with British Army markings, C154 marking (maybe rack number) and AEF marking on butt plate. The close-up photos to show close-up of AEF (American Expeditionary Forces) and faint US flag cartouches on grip and British military crossed pennants and broad arrow markings.
(From "Borrowed Soldiers, Americans Under British Command , 1918 " by Mitchell A.Yockelson) When General Pershing was asked by the British and the French to amalgamate small units of American soldiers into his allies armies to relieve their depleted manpower, he refused, as he and President Wilson believed that only through the actions of a separate and autonomous American army could the United States achieve its political and diplomatic goals. Pershing accommodated the British by "loaning" them the 27th and the 30th Infantry Divisions, organized into II Corps. This book is the story of those divisions, how they were raised, trained and fought under British and Australian tutelage. The AEF soldiers were equipped with British small arms and accoutrements and that's probably how this revolver wound up with the AEF. What do other forum members think?
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A lot of provenance. Has it been modified to shoot either .45 ACP or .45 Colt?

I have two S&W 1st Models (Triple Locks) and a 2nd Model that have not been molested. They are both still in their original .455 configuration.
 
As a student of military history since I was a kid, I believe the decision to NOT just send US troops into French and British divisions as fillers, would have just continued the mindless slaughter of trench warfare. By the way, just finished Theodore Rex, about TR's two presidential terms. I now understand why he truly was one of our greatest presidents. He was the man for the job. SF VET
 
This pistol is still in the original .455 chambering and I've had good results using WWII surplus MKVI .455 Webley ammo and modern production Fiocchi and other MKII ammo. Here are a few more photos to show some details.
 

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White it would be a pain in the butt, I have seen indications that a .455 loaded with a properly shaped projectile is nothing at which to laugh.

I once owned a Webley MK IV in .455. I loaded the Keith style .45 Colt semi wadcutter in .455 brass. It wasn't any harder than any other rimmed round.
 
Being cheap I modified a old Lyman Ideal 322gr hp, trying for 265gr. Missed her by a tad and ended up 272gr. Charge of 4.5gr Unique focused it on point of aim. I poured bullets soft and sized .457”.
I believe it would make a clean wound. Heavy slow bullet wound drag bad guys garments right along with it.
 
George: You have a wonderful example of the Colt .455 model. The markings leave no doubt it was issued to members of the AEF. Do you have any specific questions for us to research?



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I use 455 Starline brass in lee dies for my Colt New Service English Officer Private Purchase 1914 hi-polish blue 455 Eley Colt New Service. A 255 grn. SWC for the 45 Colt over 5 grn's of Unique. Near 750 fps a man stopper load.
 
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The Colt New Service 455 Eley used black hard rubber grips as shipped. Your grips were replaced by 1917 Colt wood grips. In battle many pick up pistols off of dead soldiers and trade,buy,steal and gamble for pistols.
 
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