Browning High Power, removing Mag safety?

[Rule3]

Has any BHP owner removed the magazine safety?

The safety itself as a safety does not bother me but I have been told and read that it improves the trigger somewhat.

I have the Practical version and really like it and is probably my most accurate 9mm along with the CZ.

Just wondered if it was worth removing it the mag safety for the possible gain of a a better trigger.

 

[ImprovedModel56Fan]

I didn't, but my gunsmith did. More important than any trigger pull improvement was that it let the mags drop. I certainly don't miss it, because none of my other carry guns has one.

 

[gunblade]

It definitely improved the trigger on mine.

 

[golfrj1]

I did mine and was amazed that something that easy to do would make such a difference.. I would do it in a heart beat..

 

[squidsix]

It's the very first thing I do with a BHP. Every one of the ones that has come across my bench gets the "safety" (stupid) removed.
3rd generation S&Ws also.

 

[sipowicz]

My Smith took mine out too..

 

[Rule3]

My practical version has the mousetrap spring loaded mags, so they pop out but only hold 10 rounds.

For those that did it themselves, did you remove the whole trigger group or just punch the small pin in the trigger to remove the safety??

 

[curtmini14]

just punch the little pin in the trigger and pull the spring and plunger through the mag well.take 5 mins and your done.

 

[max]

You can probably find a video on youtube.

 

[ridewv]

I had a gunsmith take mine out when he did a trigger job. Huge improvement! The smith said just removing the mag disconnect helps a good bit and I have no need for the disconnect anyway.

 

[squidsix]

I remove the trigger. I bent one a while back trying to do it with the trigger in the frame. Maybe if you put a block of wood under it or something.

 

[pilgrim6a]

The older models are simple. Push out the pin and move the trigger lever and the mag safety plunger will come out.(Sometimes pop out.) Sometimes the spring will stay in the trigger. Push a pipe cleaner in the hole, it will capture the spring and pull it out.
The newer Mk lll guns are different. You have to remove the trigger assembly to do the job. It's doable but tricky. Have a gunsmith do it.

 

[Lew Archer]

Removing the safety will, indeed, improve the trigger pull and allow the magazines to drop free.

Before you do so, though, I suggest that you give some thought as to whether deactivating a safety feature is something you would want to explain in court after an accidental shooting, or after an intentional self defense shooting, either in civil or criminal litigation.

The argument is that removing this safety feature makes you an easy target for a prosecutor or plaintiff's lawyer, who can portray you to the judge or jury as being a person reckless enough to disable a safety feature provided by the manufacturer.

Some think the argument is overblown.

I'm just suggesting to give the matter some thought and make an informed judgement. If you still choose to remove the safety, you will be better prepared to explain it later, should the need, God forbid, arise.

I believe there are numerous threads on this and other forums which discuss the issue, both sides.

 

[cmort666]

The first thing I did after getting my BHP was have a gunsmith remove the magazine safety. It serves no purpose for me and its removal vastly improves the trigger.

Regarding the legalities, if you:

1. don't unlawfully shoot somebody in circumstances which the magazine safety would have prevented
2. have a lawyer who doesn't ride to court on the short bus

removing the magazine safety will almost certainly NOT be an issue.

 

[JcMack]

I've often heard the "do not disable a pistol safety feature as it may bite you in the butt" argument. Can anyone point to a case where disabling the mag. saftey on any automatic has resulted in a conviction do to that one factor? I bought a Beretta 84 yesterday, it too has a mag. safety. This gun is traditional DA as opposed to the HP's SA. Trigger on my gun is acceptable in either mode. Just looking at the thumb safety and mag. safety on the 84 it's obvious they disconnect the transfer bar in the same way to engage their separate safety functions. I'm going to leave the mag. safety intact. But if there was an advantage to disabling it I wouldn't hesitate to do so for fear of litigation.

 

[skeezix]

+100%

I had my gunsmith remove mine.

Before removal, the trigger pull was mushy, gritty, and measured off the 8-pound scale at an estimated 9 pounds.

After removal, the trigger pull is crisp, smooth, and measures at 4.5 pounds.

I guess that all equates to about a 100% improvement.

 

[ridewv]

I had my gunsmith remove mine.

Before removal, the trigger pull was mushy, gritty, and measured off the 8-pound scale at an estimated 9 pounds.

After removal, the trigger pull is crisp, smooth, and measures at 4.5 pounds.

I guess that all equates to about a 100% improvement.

Same results on mine, from 8 pounds to just over 4 pounds and a better feel as well. I would have to believe the mag safety is designed in some pistols to help prevent an accidental discharge when cleaning. The fact it's been removed on some of my pistols is clearly spelled out on the front of each guns manual. If I ever sell one it will be written on the bill of sale which will be signed by the buyer as well.

 

[squidsix]

I have searched and searched, hoping to find the one elusive case where a jury convicted someone of anything because of a modification to their magazine safety, and have come up dry. I like Ayoob, but this is one of the "Ayoobisms" that needs to die. I have even asked law professors to come up with one example. There isn't one of note.

 

[DeadAye]

It's the very first thing I do with a BHP. Every one of the ones that has come across my bench gets the "safety" (stupid) removed.
3rd generation S&Ws also.

How does one remove it from a 3913?

 

[Rule3]

Well I look at it this way. It's a range gun, I do not plan on shooting anyone with it. I have no other guns with a mag safety and have not shot myself in the foot yet. I do not care about the safety aspect, if it doesn't screw up the trigger I would leave it as is. It's horrible that it only holds 10 rounds also, I need a 30 round mag.

It's the same argument of the SW IL.

So back on track, it does improve the trigger??