Browning M1911 380, buy or not buy?

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Hey ya'll~

I started shooting rifles and shotguns as a kid and bought my first .22 when I was 10 years old. My Cherokee Grandfather, Pap, took me under his wing and taught me to shoot and how to sight in guns and with his help my old .22 single shot rifle became a tack driver. His best guess about the rifle was that it had been used by the military as a trainer just before World War II. (A quick note, if anyone reading this is a World War II Vet, thank you for saving the world! I respect all Veterans, I'm one myself but, the men and women who served in World War II, like my Pap, a naval gunner in the Pacific, hold a very special place in my heart for literally saving the world from the Axis Powers.)
Anyway, although my Pap taught me to shoot pistols too he primarily focused on rifles and shotguns while teaching me. So when I joined the USAF I was shooting a powerful handgun for the first time and I fell head over heels for the M1911 A1. So much so that after my time in the service and I became a PI/Bodyguard, I carried a Colt Combat Commander in a Bianchi shoulder rig. That all changed when I witnessed a shootout between what I presumed were two rival gangs fighting for crack dealing territory in a neighborhood in Detroit. These guys were shooting at each other with fully automatic MAC-10s and mini-Uzis. I realized that even with 3 magazines for my Colt, I stood very little chance of walking away from any firefight with them. I just couldn't carry enough ammo to keep up with their spray and pray approach to things. Consequently, I went and bought a Ruger P-85 in 1987 when they first became available to the public after losing the battle to become the new official DOD sidearm to Beretta. I still think that was a major mistake on the part of DOD, but hey, it wasn't my choice.
A few days ago I was at an Ace Hardware store locally when I noticed they had started selling guns. In their handgun case was what looked like a shrunken M1911 and sure enough, it was a Browning M1911 380. I know the manager there very well and managed to get him over to the gun area and asked to check out the Browning. When I picked it up I was pleasantly surprised at the weight and all of the controls. They were exactly like my beloved 1911s! It was as if my hands didn't want to let it go. Being a Browning, it isn't an inexpensive gun to buy and I knew darned well that if I brought it home my wife would skin me alive. We have about 30 guns in the house and she thinks we have MORE than enough guns. While that may be true, the fact is I really love that little gun.
All of that backstory to get to this: Do any of you out there own one of these guns yet? If so what do you think of it? I have read glowing reviews but if I want one I'm going to have to sell off a gun or two to buy it without having my wife take me out in my sleep. That's it, that's all I want to know, what do you think of the Browning M1911 380?
Thanks in advance~
 
I do not have one, but had the same impression you did when I handled one in the LGS. It was literally sold out of my hands to someone who had called earlier.
 
I’ve shot one but don’t own one.

What’s not to like?

1911 contrlols, single action trigger.

If you must have a 380, this is at the top of the list.
 
If you like the Browning, check out the Rock Island Armory Baby Rock. A buddy of mine has one, and it is a sweet shooter, indeed. All of the Browning's li'l 1911 charm at substantially less cost.
 
IMHO I like the Browning 1911-380 however I feel that between it's price & 8 round magazine capacity you might be better off with either a Beretta 84fs with its 14 round double stack magazines or a Bersa Thunder plus and it's 15 round double stack mags.
 
I do not like (used to not like?) the .380 Auto. To me, it lacks (lacked) any practical application. I do not own a .380. I've never owned a .380. But that and the way I think seems to be shifting. Don't ask me how I've reconciled this. Sometimes I can't figure out myself.

I have 2 Browning 1911-22's. They are flawless guns. My kid just went through 300 rounds in about 90 minutes with one. That gun in the product of excellent design and superb craftsmanship. They are a blast to shoot. And they're amazingly accurate, which is important for kids. Kids can turn target shooting in to serious competition.

I live in the totalitarian and commie state of CA. Seems as though the Browning 1911-380 ain't approved for sale by CA DOJ. If it ever is, I'm buying the smaller version of the 1911-380. I might even make it my primary carry gun. I have a P239 .40 now for that application, except I've yet to apply it.

Here's my advice, keeping in mind my erstwhile opinion of the .380 Auto: buy it. I will if I can.

BTW, were I to buy a .380 and use it for self-defense, I'd opt for the heaviest FMJ round I could find. It's all about penetration.

Believe me, I ain't all that far from moving to a freer state.
 
A friend brought Browning 1911's to the Gun Club, one in .22 and the other in .380. Several different types of ammo. Couldn't get under 10 inches at 25 yards with either one. Don't know who makes them, but I wouldn't buy one.
 
BTW, the Browning 1911-22 is manufactured entirely in the USA (Utah). I'm sure that the Browning 1911-380 is, too!.
 
IMHO I like the Browning 1911-380 however I feel that between it's price & 8 round magazine capacity you might be better off with either a Beretta 84fs with its 14 round double stack magazines or a Bersa Thunder plus and it's 15 round double stack mags.

I have a Sig P229 .40. It's the most reliable handgun I own. It is pretty darn easy to conceal. It's ONLY compromise is it's fat grip that's necessary to accommodate double stack mags. My P239 .40, the P229's baby brother, is a lot easier to conceal.

I'd be 100% good with a single stack 1911-380 and a couple extra mags.

Dude, I'm definitively old school. I've carried a revolver for a half-dozen years before my former agency went semi. No matter how one tries to rationalize it, a revolver ain't in the same tactical ballpark as a semi. I can reload a semi in total darkness while never looking away from a threat. In daylight, a shooter has to look at his revolver and away from a bad guy who's putting rounds on him while aligning 6 rounds and releasing them in chambers. Hence, I'd be good with a couple spare mags and a Browning 1911-380. It's slimmer grip is positive, not negative.

In my opinion, the Browning 1911-380 is the way to go, assuming it's manufactured to precise specs as is the 1911-22.
 
BTW, were I to buy a .380 and use it for self-defense, I'd opt for the heaviest FMJ round I could find. It's all about penetration

Yes & no... If I were to recommend a 380 pistol for carry I would almost always suggest a "full sized" 380 vs a pocket pistol due to the increased velocity/power you'll attain with the longer barrel. A 3.5" barrel will achieve much more velocity over a 2.75" barrel and that will make the difference between a hollow point acting like a FMJ or opening up like it was designed to do.

As far as dave1918a2's comment about a friends 1911-380 not hitting under 10" at 25 yards. Even if the shooter got 15" groups with that pistol at 25 yards it is well within acceptable accuracy for the pistols intended defensive purposes. 25 yards? you're talking 75 feet.
 
Yes & no... If I were to recommend a 380 pistol for carry I would almost always suggest a "full sized" 380 vs a pocket pistol due to the increased velocity/power you'll attain with the longer barrel. A 3.5" barrel will achieve much more velocity over a 2.75" barrel and that will make the difference between a hollow point acting like a FMJ or opening up like it was designed to do.

As far as dave1918a2's comment about a friends 1911-380 not hitting under 10" at 25 yards. Even if the shooter got 15" groups with that pistol at 25 yards it is well within acceptable accuracy for the pistols intended defensive purposes. 25 yards? you're talking 75 feet.


I'm good.

For my use, I'd prefer speed to battery and ability to conceal it.

We're taking .380 here. A few FPS ain't gonna matter.

The primary purpose of a self-defense handgun is to get you out of trouble. It ain't for shooting at 25 yards. If you're threat is 25 yards from you, turn and run, faster, as fast as you can the heck outta there.

A self-defense handgun is for very close distance, so close that you won't have time to use sights, unless you wanna take a bad guy's rounds. At 10', you oughta be good enough to draw and point shoot and hit what you're pointing. If you ain't yet there, practice.
 
If you like the Browning, check out the Rock Island Armory Baby Rock. A buddy of mine has one, and it is a sweet shooter, indeed. All of the Browning's li'l 1911 charm at substantially less cost.

I handled the 2 back to back and would choose the RIA Baby Rock even if they were priced the same. I haven't shot either but the Rock Island seemed like a better pistol. The plastic Browning did not impress me.
 
Yes & no... If I were to recommend a 380 pistol for carry I would almost always suggest a "full sized" 380 vs a pocket pistol due to the increased velocity/power you'll attain with the longer barrel. A 3.5" barrel will achieve much more velocity over a 2.75" barrel and that will make the difference between a hollow point acting like a FMJ or opening up like it was designed to do.

As far as dave1918a2's comment about a friends 1911-380 not hitting under 10" at 25 yards. Even if the shooter got 15" groups with that pistol at 25 yards it is well within acceptable accuracy for the pistols intended defensive purposes. 25 yards? you're talking 75 feet.

You must be a miserable shot! I won't own a gun that doesn't shoot pretty well at 25 yards, a .25 auto excepted.

My only .380 was a Beretta M-34. It would place a magazine at 25 yards in a group that I could cover with my hand, most often, just my palm. If the trigger hadn't been so hard and heavy, I'd have shot it better. A Walther PP .32 shot even better.

I haven't seen this Browning .380, just the old M-1910 version. The Star .380's have very comfortable grips and are like miniature M-1911's, less the grip safety. If the new Browning feels as good in the hand, it'd be hard to put down. But if it won't shoot well, to heck with it.
 
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I do not have one, but it is on my list of guns to buy. However, if I don't shell out $550 for the Browning, I'll grab the Baby Rock for about $200 less.
 
Wife spotted the Browning 1911-22 Black Label....when they first hit the shelf at our gun shop/range. She was filling out the forms before I even saw it. (She does have a really nice SA loaded 45acp). After a quick inspection a dab of lube....she ran 50 rounds flawlessly through it.
When Browning announced the 1911-380 Black Label...she called our range and they took her order over the phone(we are members of the range) Took several months for it to show up..but when they called...we went and picked it up same day. Its an identical twin to her 1911-22, except of course the calibers. For reasons only Browning knows, it only came with one magazine. Like the 22...a tear down inspection...dab of lube...and fifty rounds down range...flawlessly. Had to wait a few months before two more magazines could be found. After 300 rounds...the Browning 1911-380 became her CCW.
This last Christmas...I surprised her with the Browning 1911-380 Pro...steel three dot sights...more aggressive grips....200 rounds now...and its flawless...now is her CCW...I get to use her handmedown...which will slip into my coat pocket(Sticky holstered) kinda think its her favorite handgun now....and its kina growning on me...when I want a break form my 686 or Browning HP..(btw wife has a BHP of her own)....see a trend here?
 
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Pisgah, I will do my due diligence and ...

check out the Rock Island Baby Rock. Thanks for the advice!

If you like the Browning, check out the Rock Island Armory Baby Rock. A buddy of mine has one, and it is a sweet shooter, indeed. All of the Browning's li'l 1911 charm at substantially less cost.
 
SA1911 ...

I already have one .380, the Bodyguard with a laser and the fact is that I'm more accurate with it than with my Shield 9mm. I use Precision One 90 Grain HP/XTP rounds. They're the only ones that passed the Ammo Quest testing based on the FBI criteria for penetration without over penetration and scored 100% on expansion. As the man that ran the tests put it if the FBI were to issue firearms in the .380 caliber, this is the ammo they'd use. If it's good enough for the FBI it's good enough for me.


I'm good.

For my use, I'd prefer speed to battery and ability to conceal it.

We're taking .380 here. A few FPS ain't gonna matter.

The primary purpose of a self-defense handgun is to get you out of trouble. It ain't for shooting at 25 yards. If you're threat is 25 yards from you, turn and run, faster, as fast as you can the heck outta there.

A self-defense handgun is for very close distance, so close that you won't have time to use sights, unless you wanna take a bad guy's rounds. At 10', you oughta be good enough to draw and point shoot and hit what you're pointing. If you ain't yet there, practice.
 
I have a Browning 1911-22 and like it a lot. However, I doubt I'll buy a 1911-380 simply due to the price. I already own several excellent .380 pistols and really don't have a need for it. I just don't want to spend that kind of money for another. OTOH, If I were to run across a good used one at a reasonable price, I'd probably grab it. ;)
 
At least to me...... a 1911 should be chambered in .45 acp and was never interested in the 7/8 sized .380's. To each their own I suppose. Just another thing to market.
 
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