Buy or pass? Colt Gold Cup Nat'l Match Mk IV Series 70
I think it's tempting-glad I live far away [emoji38]
I think it's tempting-glad I live far away [emoji38]
Buy or pass? (Not) Colt Gold Cup Nat'l Match Mk IV Series 70
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Yup. I found out the hard way back in the 90s when I detail-stripped my Series 70 Gold Cup and had to have my gunsmith reassemble it.
Yup. I found out the hard way back in the 90s when I detail-stripped my Series 70 Gold Cup and had to have my gunsmith reassemble it.
I picked up a really nice one years ago with the original sear and bits in a baggie and a standard sear in the gun. Tried to reassemble it with the right parts a year ago and sent that tiny spring flying three times until it was gone [emoji38]
Just got 3 new ones from Wolff,but I haven't psyched myself up yet [emoji16]
I would think that "no deal" would only apply to properly advertised items, which, in this case, it is not. You could strongly persuade them that it not being a GOLD CUP they aren't going to get GC money. Everything is negotiable or maybe that's just the wheeler dealer...aka cheap...in me.
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AJ
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Not an Gold Cup original or the later copy. My original Series 70 has on the right side of the slide the following:
COLT'S MARK IV/SERIES '70
GOLD CUP NATIONAL MATCH
.45 AUTOMATIC CALIBER
On the left side of the slide is:
GOLD CUP
NATIONAL MATCH
The one you are looking at may shoot as well as a Series '70 Gold Cup, but it is not one.
Chad is right on 100%. Trigger, hammer, case, sights, lettering, ect parts gun. Recently I have been insulted by many on trades involving 1911s.
Bogus Gold Cups being number #1. The owners always leave back door to crawl away when they realize they didn't pull it off. They claim ignorance.
I've got a few years of gun trading behind me and the rule of thumb on custom or customized guns is they are worth less than original. There are always exceptions.
Bogus Gold Cups being number #1. The owners always leave back door to crawl away when they realize they didn't pull it off. They claim ignorance.
I've got a few years of gun trading behind me and the rule of thumb on custom or customized guns is they are worth less than original. There are always exceptions.
Also, custom or customized = Higher value for the original customizer, no one else.
If you ever want to kill your gun ad, just put "custom" in the title. Use the word "upgrade" instead of "custom".
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I like it. If it's tight it's got to be worth $1000. Someone milled and put a very nice rear sight on. You need to know what you are looking at hands on with something like this. I had rather have $800 in it. Make sure it has a Colt frame.
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AJ
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If there is a return policy where you can shoot it and return it if it does not meet your expectations, then talk them down a bit and do the deal. It is not worth as much as a real Gold Cup, I have seen some great shooting pistols that have been put together from parts. Keep in mind priices these days are higher all across the board.
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olivehead1
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I imagine it's a Colt frame since the guy gave me the serial over the phone and it checks out on the website.
If it were about $800 I'd probably have it already.
AJ
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I would agree that $800 is probably tops most of the time. However, nowadays is not most of the time. The end result is you must be happy with the deal. Remember the old saying about guns.......You never pay to much for a gun, you just bought it to soon.
I would guess that it's all government model with adjustable sights added and that's probably all that was done to it.If everything internally is still factory and the trigger is decent,it'll shoot like a gold cup of that era.My 70 gc is surprisingly accurate and I shoot it better than my gm of that era,but it's the sights that make the difference.
If it's all been fitted properly,it could be a sleeper!
But maybe not [emoji2955]
Take it apart or have them do it and see what's really there.
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I came across one like that but I think I came out OK. I went to the shop near the indoor range I shoot at and saw a nice looking Colt with a Gold Cup slide and a Bar-Sto barrel. The price was pretty good and the salesman said the gun came from a guy who they had dealt with before who brought in guns when he needed some cash. It looked like a decent deal and not wanting to walk away and risk losing the gun I decided to buy it. When the salesman brought out the box the box said "Government Model" instead of "Gold Cup." But all in all I decided it was a decent deal, particularly with the Bar-Sto barrel, so I went ahead with the purchase.
When I got home, I pulled out my Colt book to check the serial number and it confirmed that the frame at least came from a Government Model. When I took the gun to the range it was making bullet holes touch each other at 7 yards. So all in all, with the Gold Cup slide and Bar-Sto barrel on the Government Model frame at the price of a stock Government Model I figured I lucked out pretty well.
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olivehead1
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FWIW I'm giving this gun a little more thought and will probably go take a look at it today. If it were an unaltered S70 Gov't Model, the price might not be that unreasonable if Gunbroker is any guide (seem to go for anywhere between $900 and $1,200+ for a non-collector's piece), but still well out of my comfort zone. Maybe I can find something to trade on it.
I sort of like the gun as set up, although I'm ambivalent about the Commander-style tang, but this along with Commander hammer was probably considered a good option at the time (early 1980s) when you wanted to put a BoMar sight on there. The trigger is a bit long for my tastes but acceptable.
I sort of like the gun as set up, although I'm ambivalent about the Commander-style tang, but this along with Commander hammer was probably considered a good option at the time (early 1980s) when you wanted to put a BoMar sight on there. The trigger is a bit long for my tastes but acceptable.
Go check it out in person (if it's even still there)?
Based on the pics, it's had some work. And if it's professional work (which it most likely is based on the sights), I don't think the price is unreasonable. What's a new Gold Cup going for today (if you could find one)?
But it really depends on the in person examination.
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olivehead1
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I just sent the shop an email pointing out (again) the discrepancy between the listing and the actual gun, and how it looks like GC pricing not Gov't Mod pricing, not original box, and if there's room on the price. We'll see what they say. I'd guess they'll say, no, that's the Gov't Model price and a damned good one at that, and the mods add to the price. Typical pawn shop (and LGS) bull, but worth asking.
EDIT: Reply from shop: "We double checked on the firearm and it in fact a Govt MIV Series 70, when listing it online, our system accidentally put the wrong model. At our store, the physical tag description reads correctly. Because of the scarcity of firearms and the excellent condition it is, it is appropriately priced. We appreciate your business! And we thank you for your continued interest with doing business with us. Unfortunately at the time, being that it has not been out for sale long and because of the scarcity of firearms, we are firm on the price."
I duly thanked them for their time, etc, etc.
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In other words. We'll wait for someone to come along that doesn't do his/her research before buying.
What a bunch of jerks.
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olivehead1
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Yeah. Unfortunately, by and large, it's the nature of the beast these days.
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