And you would be wrong.
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And you would be wrong.
Some random thoughts.........
There will be no easy way to deal with this so it will be fair for all. Some will feel slighted and cry fowl.
Is it possible to identify for CERTAIN that someone is abusing the system? How much time do we want to expend in proving this?
Whether or not this forum is privately owned doesn't matter other than the fact that the owners decision is final. What matters more is fairness to all. Which almost impossible.
This forum is the best that the internet has to offer. For the most part we are allowed to regulate ourselves. There are bad apples everywhere and unfortunately a part of daily life. If people want to live this way then all we can do is avoid them.
The honor system works well for the most part. If someone has no honor, what are you going to do about it? Not much you can do is there? Again, avoid them.
If each seller had the ability to choose who they sold to instead of the first "I'll take it", can you imagine the problems then?
On a local gun trading forum EVERYONE has to buy a membership if they want to sell or buy. The fee is nominal but you still have to pay.
In closing;
I think.... That we should regulate ourselves in this matter. There is no fair or easy way to deal with this.
OR
Add a function to the profile of each member. Go to that members profile and check a box. YES, they can buy. Or NO they can't. Then post your item for sale. If you don't take the time to do this, then you get what you get. No crying later.
There will be no easy way to deal with this so it will be fair for all. Some will feel slighted and cry fowl.
Is it possible to identify for CERTAIN that someone is abusing the system? How much time do we want to expend in proving this?
Whether or not this forum is privately owned doesn't matter other than the fact that the owners decision is final. What matters more is fairness to all. Which almost impossible.
This forum is the best that the internet has to offer. For the most part we are allowed to regulate ourselves. There are bad apples everywhere and unfortunately a part of daily life. If people want to live this way then all we can do is avoid them.
The honor system works well for the most part. If someone has no honor, what are you going to do about it? Not much you can do is there? Again, avoid them.
If each seller had the ability to choose who they sold to instead of the first "I'll take it", can you imagine the problems then?
On a local gun trading forum EVERYONE has to buy a membership if they want to sell or buy. The fee is nominal but you still have to pay.
In closing;
I think....
That we should regulate ourselves in this matter. There is no fair or easy way to deal with this. OR
Add a function to the profile of each member. Go to that members profile and check a box. YES, they can buy. Or NO they can't. Then post your item for sale. If you don't take the time to do this, then you get what you get. No crying later.
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jjbrewst1
Member
Do you do it for your collection, or to flip them for a quick profit?
When I opened this thread, yours was one of the first user names that popped into my head.
You have either made a bunch of money here, or have one heck of a collection.
Gordy
I like to think I have one heck of a collection, but I also constantly buy and sell to get better examples, but I do have a safe full..my wife and I buy guns and put them away versus a savings account. Much better return rate for our retirement.
I buy/sell on GB, but most do. I am a box,docs,and tools guy, but also buy bad examples and then sell when I find a better one.
I have close to 3000 posts, fortunately for my check books sake, and my marriage, most posts are contributions to this forum, not " I Will Take Its".
Thanks, Jim. I'll be honest....any time I ever sold a gun it was because I wanted the cash for something else. I've sold guns here that I regret selling...a few pre-17s, an 18, a no dash 696, Winchester 9422, etc. I'm not a "flipper". I've never bought a gun with the intention of selling it. My most recent gun sale here was a Glock 19 that I owned for a long time. I replaced it with a 3913....something that I simply appreciate more than a hunk of plastic.
There's only a few S&W revolvers that I want...I'm pretty happy with what I do have. Maybe with this new rule, guys like me will have a shot at the next fairly priced K-22, 4" Highway Patrolman, or whatever.
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Make items available at either:
Option #1.. a set price and be comfortable with it that your puppy is going to a good home.
Use the 24hr rule or not,,I'm not sure about it.
Or option #2,,make available selling items on an auction basis.
The starting price is what the buyer wants out of it, that'd most likely be the price in option#1.
No hidden reserves.
First bid and it's sold.
Anything above that is just extra for the seller.
*On anything above the initial bid, a % 'buyers premium' is paid to the Forum to help support it.
That % and how long you let the auctions run would be determined by He who Controls.
Buyers premium is only figured on the amount bid past the initial price
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That lets everyone play, seller can get a quick sale if they want,,or hang on for hopefully the extra $$.
The Forum gets a cut for the cookiejar on the latter.
Use it on firearms only perhaps,,or firearms plus any item over a certain $$ listed value so as to keep the small change items out of the % buyers premium calculation .
Just some ideas,,,
Option #1.. a set price and be comfortable with it that your puppy is going to a good home.
Use the 24hr rule or not,,I'm not sure about it.
Or option #2,,make available selling items on an auction basis.
The starting price is what the buyer wants out of it, that'd most likely be the price in option#1.
No hidden reserves.
First bid and it's sold.
Anything above that is just extra for the seller.
*On anything above the initial bid, a % 'buyers premium' is paid to the Forum to help support it.
That % and how long you let the auctions run would be determined by He who Controls.
Buyers premium is only figured on the amount bid past the initial price
.
That lets everyone play, seller can get a quick sale if they want,,or hang on for hopefully the extra $$.
The Forum gets a cut for the cookiejar on the latter.
Use it on firearms only perhaps,,or firearms plus any item over a certain $$ listed value so as to keep the small change items out of the % buyers premium calculation .
Just some ideas,,,
Buying Here for Resale
GB is a public place to make money, our FS is a place to sell and trade guns with like minded folks. I think the FS section is great, and is a valuable part of the overall forum. I think it wouldn't be the same place with out it. I always assumed the point of the for sale wasn't to provide dealers with cheap stock it was to provide enthusiast with a place to buy sell and trade the items they love. All that said I wouldn't knowingly sell to someone I knew was going to flip the item on GB or ebay.
If something must be done in my opinion the sellers should be the ones to do it. If a particular seller doesn't want to take the deal he can pass it up. This is how we currently deal with flippers and dealer sales, seller decides. I always assumed that people were not selling to people they didn't want to do business with based off of an "I will take it."
The amount of issues the current system generates will pale in comparison to the amount that will be generated by vague and hard to enforce stipulations added to the sale forum rules. Unless we are going to list dealers and flippers in the rules also, and that would be a nightmare.
Full disclaimer. I have bought a lot of stuff here since I have joined. I have found the folks here to be solid and honestly some of the best people I have ever dealt with. I haven't sold anything on here, cause as my wife will testify to I don't sell much. Actually come to think of it I have sold a couple of items to members here just not thru the for sale listings.
GB is a public place to make money, our FS is a place to sell and trade guns with like minded folks. I think the FS section is great, and is a valuable part of the overall forum. I think it wouldn't be the same place with out it. I always assumed the point of the for sale wasn't to provide dealers with cheap stock it was to provide enthusiast with a place to buy sell and trade the items they love. All that said I wouldn't knowingly sell to someone I knew was going to flip the item on GB or ebay.
If something must be done in my opinion the sellers should be the ones to do it. If a particular seller doesn't want to take the deal he can pass it up. This is how we currently deal with flippers and dealer sales, seller decides. I always assumed that people were not selling to people they didn't want to do business with based off of an "I will take it."
The amount of issues the current system generates will pale in comparison to the amount that will be generated by vague and hard to enforce stipulations added to the sale forum rules. Unless we are going to list dealers and flippers in the rules also, and that would be a nightmare.
Full disclaimer. I have bought a lot of stuff here since I have joined. I have found the folks here to be solid and honestly some of the best people I have ever dealt with. I haven't sold anything on here, cause as my wife will testify to I don't sell much. Actually come to think of it I have sold a couple of items to members here just not thru the for sale listings.
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What is the spirit or intent of the Classified Forum? Is it to serve member sellers and buyers? Just sellers?
In the end it is totally up to Lee, but I do like the idea of serving members on both sides of the equation. The community attitude here amongst the members is one major reason I enjoy it so much. I appreciate Lee looking out for all members.
The only other idea I can offer that has been touched on already, is a minimum post count (50?) prior to any access to the Classified Sections. This would help to maintain the benefit for true participating members.
In the end it is totally up to Lee, but I do like the idea of serving members on both sides of the equation. The community attitude here amongst the members is one major reason I enjoy it so much. I appreciate Lee looking out for all members.
The only other idea I can offer that has been touched on already, is a minimum post count (50?) prior to any access to the Classified Sections. This would help to maintain the benefit for true participating members.
Same on another site I'm on.
Wonder if the seller could add " I reserve the right to not sell to anyone"
if I have a firearm to sell and I choose to list it for sale on the S&W forum at a fair price..........whomever comes along first and purchases at the agreed price....it is sold. if the buyer has money and is quick..........he/she is the winner....
05CarbonDRZ
Member
I think Tapatalk should be disabled for this Forum,That would even the playing field a lot.If you are not logged in and at the right place at the right time than no deal.People getting an E-Mail to their smart Phone every time something goes up for sale is BS in my book.If you want to sell to a Dealer just PM Whitedove and sell to him directly,Problem solved.Then you can watch him make money off you and laugh all the way to the Bank....Or how about we just get rid of the offending parties and move on? If all you post is "I'll Take It" find another Forum.
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I have always believed that only contributing members be able to even VIEW the classifieds.
If there's revenue being derived there then Lee should also benefit financially.
If there's revenue being derived there then Lee should also benefit financially.
1891SingleShot
Member
Okay, since this is the "rule", someone needs to define what a "dealer" is. Is it someone who has an FFL, someone who has an FFL and is buying to resell, or anyone who is buying with the intent to resell? Like I stated previously, I have an FFL but am also a collector. So am I now required to wait 24 hours simply because I am in possession of the "evil" FFL license? I have never even sold a firearm online before but am now being punished because I choose to follow the laws of buying and selling. How about this: If I'm buying for my collection, I am allowed to buy instantly, but if I'm buying for resale, I'll wait the 24 hours.
This seems to me.....
This sounds like it would be a positive part of the whole solution. At least the forum would benefit some.
This sounds like it would be a positive part of the whole solution. At least the forum would benefit some.
pinduck
US Veteran
When do the whiners start complaining about the unfair advantage the FFLs have in not having to pay a transfer fee when they buy? I think it is time to put your big boy pants on and suck it up.Or should the FFLs offer to pay the transfer fee to the seller? trying for a level playing field don'tcha know, every bodies equal, gold stars for everyone.
Glen
Glen
jsfricks
Member
I'm a member on some forums that require you to have at least 100 post before you can sell. That way you participate in other parts of the forum instead of just selling your wares. This could also be the case with buying, be a member with at least 100 post in other parts of the forum instead of just the For Sale section.
This sounds correct, except
I agree totally and I feel like the real beef is that people snap these up before enthusiasts even know it is there.
Seller posts asking price in ad.
Buyer pays asking price for gun.
Seller gets what they want.
Buyer gets what they want.
Buyer is now owner and can do as they please...wipe it, fondle it, shoot it, or, yes, even sell it.
Sounds like some folks were always getting beat out of the good seat on the school bus as a kid.
You guys are actually considering restricting gun sales on a gun forum? Wow................
I agree totally and I feel like the real beef is that people snap these up before enthusiasts even know it is there.
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JJEH
Member
I'd like to make a statement, even though I might swim into deep waters...
I agree with that.
I also think that only registered members should be able to view the rest of the forum.
Regarding the sales here; I think that once an item has become your property it's up to you what to do with it.
Why should the buying- and selling process be restricted? Remember, it's "for us by us" right?! Otherwise you'll need to restrict the SWCA classifieds too. Sounds like Kindergarten to me.
It's not fair anyways since some members are more online than others for whatever reasons (is it work schedule, different time zone, etc.). So the saying that "the early bird gets the worm" applies here perfectly.
I agree with that.
I also think that only registered members should be able to view the rest of the forum.
Regarding the sales here; I think that once an item has become your property it's up to you what to do with it.
Why should the buying- and selling process be restricted? Remember, it's "for us by us" right?! Otherwise you'll need to restrict the SWCA classifieds too. Sounds like Kindergarten to me.
It's not fair anyways since some members are more online than others for whatever reasons (is it work schedule, different time zone, etc.). So the saying that "the early bird gets the worm" applies here perfectly.
dimedog
Member
Then we would just have to read a bunch of pointless nonsensical posts while the user is intentionally trying to build a post count. After that then what?
Why not deal specifically with the users of concern that this whole topic relates to?
They know who they are and ironically none of them have chimed in on this, and are offline since this discussion has began.
jsfricks
Member
I'm also on another site that you decide who you want to sell to, not the first "ill take it".
kozmic
Member
I totally understand and respect the merits of both sides of this issue. However, I tend to agree with Lee and appreciate the fact that he and the admins have taken a proactive approach.
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