Bye bye, 4Runner

My wife owns a Rav 4 The last year a V6 was offered. Loves it.
It's a great engine.

She had been hinting about wanting a 4 runner next. This might be a deal breaker.

Do these new toyota turbos coming out require higher octane gas?

Here in PA ethanol is now at 10% and wonder if that affects turbos.

Two Acura RDX 2.5 turbos in our garages. 91 is recommended, not required. I usually run 93 cause 91 is an oddity here, and the price differential is minimal.

On trips out of state mainly up the coast, where the price differential can be $1 or more, I will run some 87, with no noticeable performance drop off. Never a ping or some code thrown.

The car has plenty of get up and go, I’m happy with the 4 that can.

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Two Acura RDX 2.5 turbos in our garages. 91 is recommended, not required. I usually run 93 cause 91 is an oddity here, and the price differential is minimal.

On trips out of state mainly up the coast, where the price differential can be $1 or more, I will run some 87, with no noticeable performance drop off. Never a ping or some code thrown.

The car has plenty of get up and go, I’m happy with the 4 that can.

Once again the variations in fuel pricing across the US come into play. Out here the difference between 87 and 91 (no 93 here) is under 50 cents. Right now diesel is a quarter cheaper than 87 octane.
 
Once again the variations in fuel pricing across the US come into play. Out here the difference between 87 and 91 (no 93 here) is under 50 cents. Right now diesel is a quarter cheaper than 87 octane.

Very interesting. Diesel is over a dollar more here. I will make it a point to look at 93 octane this week.
 
Got my Tacoma with the V6 last March. Saw the handwriting on the wall and realized that it was the last time to get a 6 as everything was going to turbo fours. Ditto with the wife's Highlander, however in retrospect, I think since I do not tow with the highlander, I might have waited for the grand highlander but I'm happy with the 2022 V6 model. By far the most comfortable car I have ever owned.
 
I can’t help myself here. Have experience designing and developing turbo spark ignition engines. I pioneered the early adoption. The concern over turbocharger durability is usually related to center section bearing wear due to lubrication coking. This happens when you shut down and induce a hot soak - frying the oil that remains in the cast iron center section. This abrasive substance kills the bearings, leaving the turbine and compressor to contact their respective housings. As pointed out by LVSteve, manufacturers don’t just hang a hair dryer on the side of the engine and call it quits. Think inconel exhaust valves, overplated bearings, forged pistons, and much much more. We ran numerous 100 hour test engines at 50 hrs at peak horsepower and 50 hours at peak torque. At teardown we were looking for abnormal wear. Today’s engine control systems are incredibly good at keeping you safe.

The solution to the coking concern is synthetic oil with scheduled oil changes. I’ve personally viewed several failed turbochargers and invariably the bearings were failed. The beauty of a turbo engine is that it doesn’t recognize altitude performance degradation and, improved fuel efficiency if you stay out of boost. Once you step into it, the increased charge density usually requires a richer air/fuel ratio to kind of “suppress the flame front” and keep you out of detonation.

I think every good naturally aspirated engine deserves a turbocharger! Just my highly prejudiced opinion!

Tom H.
 
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Got my Tacoma with the V6 last March. Saw the handwriting on the wall and realized that it was the last time to get a 6 as everything was going to turbo fours. Ditto with the wife's Highlander, however in retrospect, I think since I do not tow with the highlander, I might have waited for the grand highlander but I'm happy with the 2022 V6 model. By far the most comfortable car I have ever owned.


You can say that again. Wait … ;) :D
 
Kinda looks like their making the front end of the 2024 4Runner look a lot like a 2019 Rav4. I bet the Tacoma will make the same changes in 2024.

Too happy with my 2018 V6 4x4.
 
I can’t help myself here. Have experience designing and developing turbo spark ignition engines. I pioneered the early adoption. The concern over turbocharger durability is usually related to center section bearing wear due to lubrication coking. This happens when you shut down and induce a hot soak - frying the oil that remains in the cast iron center section. This abrasive substance kills the bearings, leaving the turbine and compressor to contact their respective housings. As pointed out by LVSteve, manufacturers don’t just hang a hair dryer on the side of the engine and call it quits. Think inconel exhaust valves, overplated bearings, forged pistons, and much much more. We ran numerous 100 hour test engines at 50% peak horsepower and 50% peak torque. At teardown we were looking for abnormal wear. Today’s engine control systems are incredibly good at keeping you safe.

The solution to the coking concern is synthetic oil with scheduled oil changes. I’ve personally viewed several failed turbochargers and invariably the bearings were failed. The beauty of a turbo engine is that it doesn’t recognize altitude performance degradation and, improved fuel efficiency if you stay out of boost. Once you step into it, the increased charge density usually requires a richer air/fuel ratio to kind of “suppress the flame front” and keep you out of detonation.

I think every good naturally aspirated engine deserves a turbocharger! Just my highly prejudiced opinion!

Tom H.


I never thought about this but I did not know the motor oil lubed the turbocharger, but it makes sense. We presently own 2 Chevys with the turbo but we at least change the oil (the cars don’t let us forget the oil is due) so that’s cool. Her car is a three cylinder awd and it’s nuts to me how a turbo is making it easy.
If it saves the coastal areas I’m all for it!
 
I have a 2012 KIA Sportage SX Turbo that has been almost flawless. Granted it only has 36,000 miles on it, but a nice turbo 6cyl would not bother me in the least. Always run a good synthetic oil and give the turbo a chance to cool before turning it off if you been hogging it.
 
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