Calif. Law AB962 { must read-SCARY }

[26Ford]

I just read of one of Calfornia's new 700 plus laws. This one AB962, will end internet and mail order sales of Ammo into the state of California at the end of the month. Starting February 1st, all ammo sales will have to be face to face at a retailer in the state and a thumb print provided for purchase. A record of the sale will be entered in a log book. Ladies and gentleman, have fun with that one, I'm getting out of the way, 26 { I see now that this has already been discussed, Mods are welcome to delete, SORRY 26 }

 

[stevie-ca]

Good idea to get out of way.

 

[jshaf00]

My family abandoned the Peoples Socialist Republic of California years ago.. and Thank God for it. while Kansas is not Arizona or Wyoming it is at the very least half sane regarding any type of firearm.

 

[xcop]

962

You need to reread it. Only bans sales of handgun ammo excluding 22lr. Ammo that is usually considered to be handgun. Rifle and shotgun can still be ordered via internet. There are exceptions to the law such as police, C&R holders with the state certificate of eligibility and a few more. Gov Brown already stated the state has NO intention of enforcing it and will leave it up to local agencies. Local agencies I contacted have no intention of wasting manpower on it. The law was pushed by the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. Like the federal ammo regulations of 40 years ago I suspect this will go away. Problem will be getting some of the sellers to read the law to ship to exempted people. CTD has already said they will ship no ammo of any type to California. Stupid on their part and I hope that nobody in California buys a thing from CTD. So even though handguns can shoot 223 or 30/30 such as the Thompson Contenders and others it is considered rifle ammo and available. Stupid law signed by the former stupid governor.

 

[vipermd]

ca ammo ban

You need to reread it. Only bans sales of handgun ammo excluding 22lr. Ammo that is usually considered to be handgun. Rifle and shotgun can still be ordered via internet. There are exceptions to the law such as police, C&R holders with the state certificate of eligibility and a few more. Gov Brown already stated the state has NO intention of enforcing it and will leave it up to local agencies. Local agencies I contacted have no intention of wasting manpower on it. The law was pushed by the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. Like the federal ammo regulations of 40 years ago I suspect this will go away. Problem will be getting some of the sellers to read the law to ship to exempted people. CTD has already said they will ship no ammo of any type to California. Stupid on their part and I hope that nobody in California buys a thing from CTD. So even though handguns can shoot 223 or 30/30 such as the Thompson Contenders and others it is considered rifle ammo and available. Stupid law signed by the former stupid governor.

I agree stupid law, stupid gov, but it is an ammo ban by any other name.Just handgun ammo?? Right!! The check is in the mail!!!! ca has a long history of abusing the rights of their subjects, just another step in the process. I commend CTD for their stand, and Ronnie Barrett on his stand of not dealing with gov in ca with 50's. If the ban ( law ) is not going to be enforced then why coddle those who it appeases, vote them out of office. ca requires out of state firearm dealers to complete ca forms to sell to other federal dealers- I would like to see all ammo/firearm manufacturers stop all sales to ca, it would keep them all "safe". I pity LE trying to deal with such BS, ( here is the law but do not enforce it ???? ) Good Luck Be Safe

 

[Fishslayer]

Stupid law signed by the former stupid governor.

Nope. Not stupid if your agenda is the disarming of law abiding citizens. 2A doesn't say anything about ammunition.

Don't get me started on former Gov Shriver...

Thanks for the reminder. I need to get out to the garage & roll up a couple hunnert rds of .45....

 

[26Ford]

I APOLOGIZE- MOST HANDGUN AMMO ONLY

I humbly apologize for any confusion to the forum members, I should have stated most HAND GUN Ammo only, thank you, 26

 

[vipermd]

As fishslayer stated there is nothing in the 2A about ammo. ATF's new ploy is that dealers in AZ, TX,CA,NM will have to report sales of "high power" semi-auto rifles that use detachable magazines, if more than one is purchased in a 5 business day period. This supposedly will allow them to stop firearm trafficking into Mexico, RIGHT, then it will be slightly more northern states, etc,etc. obama does not have the right to allow this it should have to go through congress, but maybe that does not matter any more?? There has not been a correct number of us arms in mex reported. It has ranged from 1000's -- tens of thousands. "trust me I am from the government" scary words. I think the only way mex will solve it's "drug" problem is to start at the border and move south. Amazing how easy it is to blame Americans for everything!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Fishslayer]

Nobody seems to be getting any information at all re how to gather the information, how to store it, how to report it...

I've even heard (unsubstantiated) that there is actually no plan on enforcing AB962.

What I see, (and my LGS owner kinda "poohed-poohed" it) is ATF going around revoking FFL for violations since nobody really knows what the law requires. No FFL, no firearms transfers. Voila'! One step closer to a disarmed citizenry... the law abiding part that is. Criminals will still have no problem getting guns...

Gotta go add some more tinfoil to my hat. Ya just never know...

 

[jdh]

You need to reread it. Only bans sales of handgun ammo excluding 22lr. Ammo that is usually considered to be handgun. Rifle and shotgun can still be ordered via internet. There are exceptions to the law such as police, C&R holders with the state certificate of eligibility and a few more. Gov Brown already stated the state has NO intention of enforcing it and will leave it up to local agencies. Local agencies I contacted have no intention of wasting manpower on it. The law was pushed by the cities of Sacramento and Los Angeles. Like the federal ammo regulations of 40 years ago I suspect this will go away. Problem will be getting some of the sellers to read the law to ship to exempted people. CTD has already said they will ship no ammo of any type to California. Stupid on their part and I hope that nobody in California buys a thing from CTD. So even though handguns can shoot 223 or 30/30 such as the Thompson Contenders and others it is considered rifle ammo and available. Stupid law signed by the former stupid governor.

Actually I think it is a good thing that CTD (and any firearms related retailer) has chosen to boycott the state of california. Isolate that socialist paradise before any of their lunacy spreads to the free states.

They may be stupid laws but the citizens of california have no one to blame but themselves for continuing to elect/re-elect the same liberals over and over again, who pass those laws.

 

[xcop]

ab 962

I would bet that at least a third of California members on this board voted for the Demoncrats and that is scary............more so than the stupid ammo law.
BTW I am sure California members who have ordered from Midway probably received the email advising them that they only have a few days left to order handgun ammo. Well I emailed Midway asking about where to send copies of my C&R and COE which excludes me from the face to face requirement. Midways response was that since sending out the email they have changed their mind and will not sell ANY ammunition of any type or caliber to California residents. So they dont want to sell you rifle or shotgun ammo which the law exempts. So I think Midway should also be boycotted by California residents. If you need supplies try Grafs and Sons or Brownells. Midway along with CTD want to make a political statement so we should also.

 

[Fishslayer]

They may be stupid laws but the citizens of california have no one to blame but themselves for continuing to elect/re-elect the same liberals over and over again, who pass those laws.

ummm... excuse me? Bless your heart...

Actually, the people who elect the whackjobs running this asylum either have no interest in guns or are anti gun. They elect the people who will provide the free bread & circuses so they won't have to go to work to support their half dozen illegitimate welfare credits. Unfortunately people who think is a good idea also know that guns in the hands of law abiding taxpayers is an obstacle to their ultimate objective, total .gov control.

Think it's bad now, wait till they figure out how to turn illegal aliens into voting democraps...

I would bet that at least a third of California members on this board voted for the Demoncrats and that is scary

I might be up for that bet. I don't even want any points

Midway along with CTD want to make a political statement so we should also.

I don't think it's a political statement as much as a lack of cajones or simply an unwillingness to read the law & what is allowed/disallowed. Much easier to do it their way.

 

[northslope]

Actually I think it is a good thing that CTD (and any firearms related retailer) has chosen to boycott the state of california. Isolate that socialist paradise before any of their lunacy spreads to the free states.

They may be stupid laws but the citizens of california have no one to blame but themselves for continuing to elect/re-elect the same liberals over and over again, who pass those laws.

I think it's worth pointing out a few things:

1) we gun owners are a minority in California - and unfortunately Republicans here are not reliable pro-gun votes in the state legislature. There are a lot of folks working hard to broaden visibility of gun rights in BOTH parties. We've got to have "cross-platform" support in this state to keep anti-gun legislation at bay.

2) encouraging business to boycott California just punishes the gun owners who are here and are fighting the good fight, volunteering and donating money to multiple organizations (NRA, CRPA, Calguns Foundation).

3) Encouraging businesses to boycott California isn't going to "isolate" any lunacy. If more gun owners leave (rather than stay and fight) it just mean our margins in the state legislature get thinner and it makes it more likely that California will pass additional anti-gun laws which WILL be the model elsewhere in the country.

4) The NRA thinks California is important enough that they have a dedicated "Members' Council" here.

5) There is a legal challenge underway to topple the Ammunition Bill.

--Neill

 

[jdh]

I personally know California guns owners who voted for candidates who they perceived to be correct on other issues even though they knew the candidates were violently anti-gun. I asked one of my friends why he did that. He replied the gun issues were less important and there would be time to fix them later.

Place blame where you want but you cannot exempt your fellow gun owners from being part of the problem.

If more firearm related business would follow Ronnie Barrett's example and stop selling to the state and local agencies in California perhaps the state officials would come to their senses, but I doubt it.

 

[northslope]

I personally know California guns owners who voted for candidates who they perceived to be correct on other issues even though they knew the candidates were violently anti-gun. I asked one of my friends why he did that. He replied the gun issues were less important and there would be time to fix them later.

Place blame where you want but you cannot exempt your fellow gun owners from being part of the problem.

And by the same logic you shouldn't assume all California gun owners voted the way your friends did...

If more firearm related business would follow Ronnie Barrett's example and stop selling to the state and local agencies in California perhaps the state officials would come to their senses, but I doubt it.

And I think you answered your own question there...

--Neill

 

[Chubbs103]

How do you think I feel. I'm a Florida resident that lives in California.

 

[Hotlead]

My guess is that the folks who are cheering Cheaper than Dirt and others for not doing business with people who live in California don't live here.

I'm glad you don't have to deal with the same idiots I do, and I hope you never see any further restrictions in your state, but don't wish ill on the law-abiding gun owners of this state because you don't like who represents us in D.C.(btw, our redistricting measures passed, so you will likely see some changes in the next few elections).

Keep in mind three things-

1) California is one of the United States of America, the same nation your State is a part of.

2) Ronnie came up with the .416 Barrett in part for the Ca. civilian market and offers the M-82A1 with a "bullet button", while halting all business with Ca. State gov. and LE agencies.

3) I cut my grass in shorts and a tank top today.

 

[vipermd]

It was minus 2 @ 0700, it is +2 now, I think I will go out and shoot whatever I want!!!! I guess you need to win the " hearts and minds " of the anti freedom gov of cal, it worked so well in nam and iraq. If the local and state gov did not receive ammo, firearms, etc they would be out of business. I agree that many people are working hard to save cal, but a dead horse is still dead no matter what you do to it. Wish we could make the changes, but they have to come from the residents,. If more are willing to accept gov pablum then to fight for their rights it is by definition a losing battle. 1 + 1 = 2, no matter how hard you try 1 + 1 will not equal 3. I could not and would not live there due to the oppressive nature of the state gov. I have made my choice you need to make yours, move or change the minds of enough people that you can make a difference in the vote. All The Best !!!!!

 

[vipermd]

Northslope: Well placed charges along the cal/AZ border??? Az ocean front property- JOKING !!!! I understand what is to fight for your "rights" I moved to MI from PA I had My CCW @ 21, less than 15 yrs later I move to MI only to find that I could not be " trusted" to carry a firearm despite, training, fed and state licenses, decision made by a elected sheriff!!! My right was to carry when and where I wanted, BUT I HAVE to abide by the law even though it is wrong. We worked and MI is now a shall issue state, that is still a problem to me since a state can not grant a RIGHT, it either is or is not, speech, etc. Over the past 200+ yrs we have become more "civilized"? and therefore we have given up a portion of our rights to the gov. It would be easiest to take them back in an ugly way, but we do not because we care about the rule of law. Unfortunately the next "criminal" to follow you down the street, home, work, DOES NOT CARE. He will do whatever he wants since he is not bound by the same moral values. We each have to decide what is more important life or freedom? SOMETIMES you can have both. BE SAFE.

 

[stevie-ca]

AB962 was over turned in court today!!!