Can 1.167 COAL f/185gr JHP 45ACP be right

[Charlie 1]

My thoughts are you have a good handle on the issue.

I still can't picture that bullet, though, or the loaded round. Any chance of a pic of the Everglades next to a Sierra? or maybe the loaded round?

I compared Zero, Nosler and Sierra 185JHP's. The nose profiles and cavities are significantly different. :

Yet the OAL's differ by a maximum of only .008"

and the full-diameter (.4515") shanks are the same length (+/- .005") near as I can measure:

Seated to 1.225" for my gun, a Nosler looks like this

And seated to 1.167" looks like this ... doable, but just barely back of the break point on the ogive

Not to my liking, but it surely should not phlunk the chunk/plunk test in any chamber.

My point is, these three 185's selected at random are virtually identical. Once an OAL was selected, I'd expect to be able to load them interchangeably without adjustment. The Everglades sounds to be wildly different, but I can't see it in the pics on the website.

Sorry, I don't have any pics but the last pic at the bottom of your post looks very close to how my bullet looks seated. I did make it to the range yesterday and chronograph them under 4.6grs of bullseye and they ran at 763fps average, recoil was mild, primers looked good, fed and ejected without issue. So I think that although they're seated further than I'm use to or like, I think were on safe ground. Next I'm going to load some up at 4.8grs, 5.0grs and 5.2grs and see. I'll post results.

 

[4barrel]

Springfield 1911

From what I have seen if a 1911 will shoot a short bullet you can feed them almost anything. It is hard to go wrong with a middle of the road fast burning powder. I just checked my oal on my 195 target load and it is 1.142. A lot of stock guns will not shoot a bullet this short. Take your barrel out and if your bullet drops in freely all the way you should be ready to test.

 

[mike campbell]

Sorry, I don't have any pics but the last pic at the bottom of your post looks very close to how my bullet looks seated. ....

That line scribed on the bullet is the point where it will contact the rifling. The cartridge headspaces on the case mouth. If a bullet MUST be seated that deeply in order for the cartridge to completely chamber, that suggests the chamber is cut with virtually NO leade. Surely not.

Examine the 1.202" factory round that clunks and see how it differs from this one with respect to the amount of full diameter exposed above the case mouth. If the factory round clunks, then an Everglade loaded to duplicate the amount of exposed shoulder ... regardless of the nose profile and OAL...must also clunk. Please load an Everglades to match the factory by eyeball with respect to the full diameter shank, then tell us how long the Everglade round is. Then try the clunk test again.

 

[bigggbbruce]

I found that I had to reduce Berry's 200gr. Flat point OAL from 1.225 for a 4566 to 1.167 OAL for a 4513. Shorter leade into rifling for 4513.

I picked up a spare barrel for my 1076.. The leade for the new barrel was shorter than the factory original.

Went to my gunsmith and in 3 minutes he handed me my new barrel back with a slight trim to the rifling.. No more problem

P.S. I do not want to shoot guns of the same caliber that need special loaded ammo... FIX THE GUN.

 

[Charlie 1]

Sorry, I don't have any pics but the last pic at the bottom of your post looks very close to how my bullet looks seated. I did make it to the range yesterday and chronograph them under 4.6grs of bullseye and they ran at 763fps average, recoil was mild, primers looked good, fed and ejected without issue. So I think that although they're seated further than I'm use to or like, I think were on safe ground. Next I'm going to load some up at 4.8grs, 5.0grs and 5.2grs and see. I'll post results.

Well here are the results... As mentioned above the 4.6grs bulleye =763fps and I was optimistic but, then today tested 4.8grs=786fps, 5.0grs=800fps and 5.2grs=816. An average of 18fps increase for every .2gr increase in powder...not what I was expecting, heck I'd have to go 7+grs of powder to get anywhere near 1000fps and I know that amount of powder (bulleye) would be unsafe...confused...any thoughts ?

 

[HCH]

At 1.167 did you cut back on powder charge? I'm using Bullseye and Sierra reloading manual list 4.2 to 5.6 and Lyman lists 3.5 to 6.0. I'm thinking that given the my shorter COAL that I'm going to go on the lighter side at about 4.6 and see what results I'll get...will be shooting over a chrony. Any thoughts ?

Sorry Charlie, I was shooting mid range loads so I had no reason to cut back.

 

[jeeps]

1970 Super Vel load 185hp 1000+fps

They used a Sierra 185hp. We would mimic that load with 7.2grs of Unique the 1970's.

 

[Bill Lear]

Recently received a 1000ct 185gr JHP 45 caliper bullets from Evergladesammo where there is nothing but rave reviews and based on appearance, diameter and weight I agree. After extensive research most COAL are around 1.220 - 1.230 with the shortest at 1.190. I then took some factory ammo with 185gr JHP and did the "Clunk" test and they measured 1.202. Now here's the fun part in order to replicate the clunk test I had to seat the Everglades bullets to 1.167 and barely enough left to crimp...I'm guessing it's the bullets profile (they do measure .451). Any thoughts as to whether or not I'd be ok seating to that depth ?

I just checked my own load record and noted that I loaded Xtreme 185 gr. TC plated to a cartridge overall length of 1.15".

Believe me when I tell you, building your cartridges "short" is better than building them to maximum OAL. consider that the maximum OAL is centered around the ROUND NOSE profile which means no blunt nose, TC style bullet is going to match.

TC, blunt-nose bullets need to be seated basically as deep as necessary to put the cone-to-meplat transition at the level of the same diameter round nose profile.

The focus is to load the TC style bullet deep enough so that the entire cartridge is released by the magazine feed lips in sync with where the nose is on the feed ramp in a 1911 pattern handgun.

 

[stavey]

185g xtp or 185g zero jhp seated to 1.230 shoots great all day in my M&P's
Make sure case mouth flare isn't protruding after bullet seating or use a taper crimp die to just take the flare off -NO CRIMP
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