can a 15-22 hang with a 10/22 out of the box?

[riderrick65]

Not sure.. a few months ago, I noticed that my 15-22 would give unpredictable groups when shooting off a rest or using a sling. I figured something was going on with the barrel, so I ditched the endcap and tightened the barrel nut with a wrench.

Now it shoots great, but I'm not sure which solution worked.

I hear ya Neezer, I have not really kept a log of my shot groups but I to have noticed that since I removed the end cap & tightened the barrel nut to the suggested 20 ft. lbs. that I can shred the center bulls-eye out of a 6" Shoot-n-See target @ 25 yds. ..... I am very happy with the performance of my 15-22.

 

[glockeyed]

No question that the 15-22 can hang with the 10-22. I used both at a recent Appleseed event and got similar Rifleman qualifying scores with each using the same CCI SV ammo.

I've made some modifications to each, so it's not quite an out-of-the-box comparison:

15-22 Mods: Geiselle SSA trigger. ACOG sight. Removed endcap. Tightened barrel nut super tight with Shoo-rench prior to event.
10-22 Mods: Kidd trigger. VQ barrel. Leupold rimfire scope. Bubba'd cheek rest on stock for better sight alignment.

If I were shooting from a rest, I'd probably choose the 10-22 for marginally better accuracy. The 15-22 is perfect for Appleseed where "ease of use" (magazine changes, bolt lock/release, adjustable stock position, pistol grip etc) becomes equally important as accuracy given the time limits of each stage. The 15-22 is easier to clean.

My recommendation is to get both and continuously tinker with each them!

i bet if you used some match ammo, you'd change your tune. and cleaning them also doesn't help



(this isn't directed toward anyone)
seriously, i love my 15-22, but lets not get all fanboi about it. a 10/22 is half the price of a 15/22. with another $150 in parts a 10/22 could out perform a 15/22 in every way but looking/operating like an AR.

so, we have to agree, its apple vs oranges.

 

[guy22]

Funny you ask. I have been shooting both a lot lately. Both with 25 round mags, same ammo, at hundred yards.
Out of the box I can shoot the Ruger a little bit better at that range. I am more used to the V and front post of the Ruger.
At a 100 yards, the 15-22 combat sites just are harder to shoot.
Put a TASCO 3x9 on them. The same scope on both. Shot 25 rounds pretty rapid. (CCI mini mags)
Both put rounds about the size of an apple.

So short story. I can shoot an out of box Ruger 10/22 better at 100 yards than a 15-22.
With a cheap scope at 100 yards. I would say about equal.

Fun Factor - 15-22!!!

Guy22

 

[HalfSwiss]

For what it's worth... American Rifleman did a comparison of all the black rifle .22s in their Dec 2010 issue. The Ruger outperformed the 15-22 in accuracy.

Ruger: Smallest group .62in. Largest 1.27in. Average .95in

15-22: Smallest group 1.08in. Largest 2.10in. Average 1.75in.

The 10/22 they used outperformed the 15-22 they used. My 10/22 with a gunsmith trigger job does not outperform my 15-22 with the JP spring set. They are pretty much the same but I prefer the 15-22. And, the 10/22 not staying open after the last shot has always bothered me - I consider it a safety issue.

 

[kbm6893]

I don't really get the whole "looks like an assault rifle but it's only a .22" craze. The ruger 10/22 is probably the most customizable .22 out there. It's probably the most commonly owned gun in the country. The 15-22 does nothing for me that the 10/22 does. I find that many people buy them to feel "tacticool". I like my AR. I've fired them, and they're fine, but so is my 10/22. And the 15-22 is just too much plastic for me. Feels like a toy.

 

[mattallamerican]

total b.s.

Just thought I'd throw this out there. The weekend that I purchased my 15-22, I spoke to a gunsmith about doing a buildup on a 10-22. He told me that if I bought a 10-22 from Wal-Mart, he would not touch it. He said that Wal-Mart guns are all bulk builds to less than industry standards and that things such a head space were no where to spec and that the guns were junk. He said the accuracy is sub standard and just absolutely worthless firearms. He said I needed a 10-22 from a true gun store, not a big box store such as Wal-Mart, Academy, Cabellas, Etc. I wonder if this is true and I wonder if S&W would lower their standards to supply Wal-Mart with 15-22's? I figure that this gunsmith was full of it IMHO.

the wallmart here orders there guns from sport south i dont think they have a stack of guns for wallmart and another stack for other gun shops

 

[GSRswapandslow]

Just thought I'd throw this out there. The weekend that I purchased my 15-22, I spoke to a gunsmith about doing a buildup on a 10-22. He told me that if I bought a 10-22 from Wal-Mart, he would not touch it. He said that Wal-Mart guns are all bulk builds to less than industry standards and that things such a head space were no where to spec and that the guns were junk. He said the accuracy is sub standard and just absolutely worthless firearms. He said I needed a 10-22 from a true gun store, not a big box store such as Wal-Mart, Academy, Cabellas, Etc. I wonder if this is true and I wonder if S&W would lower their standards to supply Wal-Mart with 15-22's? I figure that this gunsmith was full of it IMHO.

find a new gunsmith, that man is a moron. I've heard the SAME thing about Rem 700's....and it's just ****. The Rem 700 is just a bargin basement gun with poor machining no matter WHERE you buy it...as they are all the same guns. Walmart doesn't get anything different than your LGS

 

[GSRswapandslow]

The 10/22 they used outperformed the 15-22 they used. My 10/22 with a gunsmith trigger job does not outperform my 15-22 with the JP spring set. They are pretty much the same but I prefer the 15-22. And, the 10/22 not staying open after the last shot has always bothered me - I consider it a safety issue.

if you're 10/22 with a "gunsmith trigger job" can't out shoot a 15-22....well, somethings up. My 10/22 has much less in it than my mp15-22...and my 10/22 groups are half the size. Hell, my 522 grouped better than my 15/22 with both barrels! I hate i sold it, but it was just too damned heavy...

and how is the bolt not locking back any kind of safety issue??!??

 

[Neezer]

and how is the bolt not locking back any kind of safety issue??!??

If you lose count of your shots, then there could be a live round left in the chamber if you're not careful (and yes, I always manually lock the bolt after shooting, but it takes two hands). It's the one thing that I don't like about the 10/22.

I don't think anyone on this forum is claiming that the 15/22 is the most accurate rimfire rifle out there. I also don't think the 10/22 is the most accurate rimfire (even with cool mods). Both are nice semiauto's that are reasonably priced vs. their performance. It's "apples vs pears" (ie, they are similar, but slightly different)

For super accuracy, a 54 action Anschutz bolt gun with premium ammo will dust both the 15/22 and the 10/22 in target shooting. No question. Apples and oranges. However, for Appleseed-type shoots with 40 well-aimed shots in 4 minutes with magazine changes and position changes, you need a semiauto. I personally think the 15/22 is superior to the 10/22 for these events based solely on it's ease of use, even if it shoots quarter-sized groups instead of dime-sized groups off a rest at the range. YMMV.

 

[moosedog]

"The guy putting down the guns sold by Wal-Mart, Cabalas, etc. is
either 1) ignorant or 2) a lier. Nuf said, case closed! "

I agree. Bad rumor to start.
No manufacturer is going to put out a inferior product on purpose and cause liability problems along with irrate customers.

 

[glockeyed]

If you lose count of your shots, then there could be a live round left in the chamber if you're not careful (and yes, I always manually lock the bolt after shooting, but it takes two hands). It's the one thing that I don't like about the 10/22.

I don't think anyone on this forum is claiming that the 15/22 is the most accurate rimfire rifle out there. I also don't think the 10/22 is the most accurate rimfire (even with cool mods). Both are nice semiauto's that are reasonably priced vs. their performance. It's "apples vs pears" (ie, they are similar, but slightly different)

For super accuracy, a 54 action Anschutz bolt gun with premium ammo will dust both the 15/22 and the 10/22 in target shooting. No question. Apples and oranges. However, for Appleseed-type shoots with 40 well-aimed shots in 4 minutes with magazine changes and position changes, you need a semiauto. I personally think the 15/22 is superior to the 10/22 for these events based solely on it's ease of use, even if it shoots quarter-sized groups instead of dime-sized groups off a rest at the range. YMMV.

DIY auto bolt release...
Auto bolt release for 10/22 - TheFiringLine Forums

always check your chamber. and always treat guns as loaded.

oh, and don't throw out a $2K Annie. a full Kidd with half the money will give it a run

 

[Neezer]

you still need to manually lock the bolt before you can auto-release it.

 

[Sierra Steve]

I guess the group size is all there is unless you've got your own wide open spaces to go plinking in. So, range shooting is just about the most common type of shooting available - I'd rather go after tin cans and dirt clods and varmits, but bulls eye is about all that's available.

 

[guy22]

I don't really get the whole "looks like an assault rifle but it's only a .22" craze. The ruger 10/22 is probably the most customizable .22 out there. It's probably the most commonly owned gun in the country. The 15-22 does nothing for me that the 10/22 does. I find that many people buy them to feel "tacticool". I like my AR. I've fired them, and they're fine, but so is my 10/22. And the 15-22 is just too much plastic for me. Feels like a toy.

It's probably the most "Commonly owned gun in the country"???
Nope!!! Not by a long shot!!! LOL!!!
Marlin Model 60
Over 11 million sold.
1960 - now.
This is the gun most commonly owned. Do a liittle research and see why???
Guy22

 

[kbm6893]

It's probably the most "Commonly owned gun in the country"???
Nope!!! Not by a long shot!!! LOL!!!
Marlin Model 60
Over 11 million sold.
1960 - now.
This is the gun most commonly owned. Do a liittle research and see why???
Guy22

Maybe so, but I have yet to see a Marlin 60 at the range. I don't know anybody who owns one, and I doubt they are as customizable as the 10/22.

 

[JonahStark]

I agree with the Marlin Model 60 outshooting the 10-22.

Qualified:
With the same type sights, my Marlin 60 and Marlin 99M1 both will out shoot my standard 10-22 with no mods.
My no mod 10-22 will out shoot my S&W 15-22.
My Savage Mark II will out shoot all the above.
My Green Mountain barrel and heavely modified 10-22 will out shoot all the above and will run my CZ-453 a close race, but not quite keep up with the 453.

All that being said, the 10-22 is sure a lot of fun playing with and doing the mods to it.

SOOOO....I just shoot all of them as much as possible.

 

[Shooting Padre]

I don't really get the whole "looks like an assault rifle but it's only a .22" craze. The ruger 10/22 is probably the most customizable .22 out there. It's probably the most commonly owned gun in the country. The 15-22 does nothing for me that the 10/22 does. I find that many people buy them to feel "tacticool". I like my AR. I've fired them, and they're fine, but so is my 10/22. And the 15-22 is just too much plastic for me. Feels like a toy.

Ahh, but boys love their toys!

 

[team sidewinder]

And my $.02 worth. After owning a 10-22 for 20 years I know my 10-22 will kill more gophers consistantly on any given day than my 15-22. Not shooting paper at known ranges but small targets and what you guesstimate ranges in varing terrain. That said I do love my 15-22 looks and fun to shoot factor over my 10-22 Of the two I like the 15-22 better. I will probably pass on my 10-22 to my oldest son just because I don't need as many .22 rifles as I have.

 

[mn_doggie]

"The guy putting down the guns sold by Wal-Mart, Cabalas, etc. is
either 1) ignorant or 2) a lier. Nuf said, case closed! "

I agree. Bad rumor to start.
No manufacturer is going to put out a inferior product on purpose and cause liability problems along with irrate customers.

It would be easy to prove. The Wal-Mart/Cabelas, etc gun would have different part/SKU numbers. The Mfgrs would inventory the different units via part number differences.

I guessin' the gunsmith was whining cuz he can't get the same price discounts as the big guys...

 

[Lost Lake]

For super accuracy, a 54 action Anschutz bolt gun with premium ammo will dust both the 15/22 and the 10/22 in target shooting. No question.

Funny, I own all of these. I was quite disappointed I had to pay more than $400 for my 15-22. My Anschutz I picked up for $200. A 10/22 can be had for $180 and can be customized easily to be a tack driver. I wouldn't be surprised to see a custom 10/22 compete.

I have found several Kimbers that shoot well and have a friend that shoots nationally with a customized Kimber. For me, I like precision shooting so accuracy problems really bother me. The 15-22 is fun for my son to shoot, but not so much for me. I'd rather set up matches and light them with a shot or cut a playing card in half at 50 feet. Anyone can pop a balloon at 100 yards, so what's the thrill?

I also like Remington 541T's. Another good shooter.