Can I bring a PB&J on an airplane?

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I'm curious: On what basis do you declare that various TSA policies are "pointless"? Are you employed in the field of aviation safety? Do you have a working knowledge of TSA's policies? Do you know what TSA requires of its employees? Did it occur to you that they might have swabbed your bag for explosives because that's what is required of them any time they open a bag? When the TSA officer told you that what he was doing is "standard procedure", why wasn't that a good enough answer for you? Would you knowingly violate a directive from your employer because someone you didn't know thought it "pointless"?

I didn't declare that "various TSA policies are 'pointless'", I said that searching my luggage for explosive residue was pointless in view of the fact that I had simply declared a firearm, not said, "I've got a bomb"or anything about explosives... I think you mean "aviation security", rather than "aviation safety", the former having to do with preventing criminal acts, the latter having to do with not crashing the plane, and, I guess I know as much, and maybe a little more about it, as any civilian who can read and understand the published rules and regulations, and who can ask a few questions... As far as I can tell, TSA doesn't require much of it's employees beyond the capability to fog up a mirror, and to show up most of the time... No, it frankly didn't occur to me that TSA might have some policy requiring them to swab any bag they may have opened, because, as far as I know, there's no reason to open every, or any bag, containing a declared firearm, and this is almost never done --- usually, they use their "X-Ray" devices to examine the luggage, and I've never been requested by TSA to open the hard case containing my firearms (untrained, unqualified ticket agents occasionally do, as previously mentioned...) (I once asked a TSA "official" why they cared to give checked firearms any particular scrutiny, since after all, you've announced that you're checking them, they're inaccessible once checked, and of no use in committing a hijacking or the like --- the plausible reply was that a (steel) firearm itself might render some other contraband, an explosive, or etc., invisible to their "X-Ray" equipment, rather than any particular interest in the firearm itself...) His "standard procedure" answer was "good enough" for me in terms of our neither snide nor condescending dialogue --- I hadn't told the poor TSA guy that he was conducting a pointless search, or asked him to contravene what he evidently understood, if perhaps erroneously, to be a policy directive. I didn't argue, just asked.My post was simply intended to illustrate that there are inconsistent, illogical, seemingly idiotic policies in place, that improve neither our security, or our airline travel experience. I recommend some form of exercise other than leaping to conclusions ...
 
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Used to fly a lot for business - weekly - I don't fly anymore (last two years) so I can't say I should or would be happy with the non-service that the airlines provide today.

As far as the TSA morons go - I can't really believe anyone who is a professional person would have to spend 40 minutes to determine that my 92 year old mother in her wheelchair is OK to go through to board her flight. Yes, she has both knees replaced and arthritis up so bad she can hardly walk which is why she is in the wheelchair. Even the kids in 1rst grade can see she is not a threat in any way shape or form. 40 minutes? Get real.

But if you are happy flying and going through this joke they call security at the airports - have at it! I won't hold it against you, but I'm not interested.

Pete

But you're right - I shouldn't lump them all together and refer to them all as "morons" they're just doing the job as trained by the people in charge. Who knows what careers they had prior to this? I'm sure some are over qualified for the position, some are perhaps not.

You claim it took 40 minutes for TSA to clear a woman in a wheelchair? And you tell me to get real?

April 1st is still three months off.
 
I didn't declare that "various TSA policies are 'pointless'", I said that searching my luggage for explosive residue was pointless in view of the fact that I had simply declared a firearm, not said, "I've got a bomb"or anything about explosives... I think you mean "aviation security", rather than "aviation safety", the former having to do with preventing criminal acts, the latter having to do with not crashing the plane, and, I guess I know as much, and maybe a little more about it, as any civilian who can read and understand the published rules and regulations, and who can ask a few questions... As far as I can tell, TSA doesn't require much of it's employees beyond the capability to fog up a mirror, and to show up most of the time... No, it frankly didn't occur to me that TSA might have some policy requiring them to swab any bag they may have opened, because, as far as I know, there's no reason to open every, or any bag, containing a declared firearm, and this is almost never done --- usually, they use their "X-Ray" devices to examine the luggage, and I've never been requested by TSA to open the hard case containing my firearms (untrained, unqualified ticket agents occasionally do, as previously mentioned...) (I once asked a TSA "official" why they cared to give checked firearms any particular scrutiny, since after all, you've announced that you're checking them, they're inaccessible once checked, and of no use in committing a hijacking or the like --- the plausible reply was that a (steel) firearm itself might render some other contraband, an explosive, or etc., invisible to their "X-Ray" equipment, rather than any particular interest in the firearm itself...) His "standard procedure" answer was "good enough" for me in terms of our neither snide nor condescending dialogue --- I hadn't told the poor TSA guy that he was conducting a pointless search, or asked him to contravene what he evidently understood, if perhaps erroneously, to be a policy directive. I didn't argue, just asked.My post was simply intended to illustrate that there are inconsistent, illogical, seemingly idiotic policies in place, that improve neither our security, or our airline travel experience. I recommend some form of exercise other than leaping to conclusions ...

The conclusion-leap was made when you declared that something you didn't understand was pointless.
 
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I got away with

Three slices of Chocolate Rum Cake. It kind of got flattened in transit but the Beagles weren't interested nor the TSA folks. Dark Chocolate Icing with toasted pecan bits. Wish I had another three slices..
 
You claim it took 40 minutes for TSA to clear a woman in a wheelchair? And you tell me to get real?

April 1st is still three months off.

I was there - you must not have been.

To me, just the fact that someone needed to ask if it's ok to take a PBJ sandwich with him says a lot about how far off the track that whole system is.

Pete
 
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I think the thing that is being missed, and I will point it out again, is that some people are allergic to peanut product's..
They can raise a big stink over someone eating a peanut product on a plane..
You think the non smokers and non drinkers are off the wall, these peanut zealots put them to shame..
Just saying....
 
No sir, it is you who is missing the point. The potential restriction has nothing whatsoever to do with possible allergic reactions. Nothing, zip, nada. Please read the TSA information for more information.

Be safe.



I think the thing that is being missed, and I will point it out again, is that some people are allergic to peanut product's..
They can raise a big stink over someone eating a peanut product on a plane..
You think the non smokers and non drinkers are off the wall, these peanut zealots put them to shame..
Just saying....
 
No sir, it is you who is missing the point. The potential restriction has nothing whatsoever to do with possible allergic reactions. Nothing, zip, nada. Please read the TSA information for more information.

Be safe.

I am not talking about TSA policy, I am speaking of the policy of the Air carrier..Believe it or not, there are "peanut free" flight's..Just do a google search if you don't believe me..
If a flight is designated as no peanuts allowed, there goes your PB&J..I had only heard of a stink awhile back with SWA who gives out free bags of peanut's, because of a person who had adverse reactions to them..
Check it out...

Wish they would have a perfume free flight ..jeeze
 
Used to fly a lot for business - weekly - I don't fly anymore (last two years) so I can't say I should or would be happy with the non-service that the airlines provide today.

As far as the TSA morons go - I can't really believe anyone who is a professional person would have to spend 40 minutes to determine that my 92 year old mother in her wheelchair is OK to go through to board her flight. Yes, she has both knees replaced and arthritis up so bad she can hardly walk which is why she is in the wheelchair. Even the kids in 1rst grade can see she is not a threat in any way shape or form. 40 minutes? Get real.

But if you are happy flying and going through this joke they call security at the airports - have at it! I won't hold it against you, but I'm not interested.

Pete

But you're right - I shouldn't lump them all together and refer to them all as "morons" they're just doing the job as trained by the people in charge. Who knows what careers they had prior to this? I'm sure some are over qualified for the position, some are perhaps not.

I saw a YouTube video a week or so ago. A woman in her 80's was sitting in a wheelchair shooting a machine gun. Very funny.
Frisk them all, frisk them all. the old the short and the tall:):):D
 
Ah, the old peanut allergy...Forgot about that...I remember SouthWest Airlines getting their teat in a wringer by serving individual packet's of the dangerous Peanuts..Seems that they now offer peanut free flights..

SW Airlines treated me well. I once remembered that I had a lockblade Henckels knife in my back pocket after I'd declared the S&W M-36-1 in my luggage. That knife has a four-inch blade, but any knife is now illegal.

I told the counter agent, and she took the knife and put it in my checked suitcase and returned my key. Was very nice about it, and probably saved me a lot of grief. Thankfully, the bag hadn't been put on the plane yet.

When I flew, I usually took a Colt .45 automatic, so that I could easily remove the firing pin, stop, and spring and put them in a padded envelope with the gun. I could then show that the firing pin was out of the gun. I think I was only asked once or twice. I was worried about flying with a revolver, but they didn't ask about the firing pin the few times when I did.

The cute SW agent wasn't upset by the knife. Just said how pretty it was. It has very nice stag antler handle scales. It was a gift from my father the year when I went in the USAF. I wanted a lockblade knife like Matt Helm carried in Hamilton's books, and it seemed to fit the description. It has a second blade, a saw.
 
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I thought you had to injest or at least come into contact with peanuts to have any problems if you had an allergy?
Then again, what do I know?
 
The kids and I flew from Phoenix to Columbus, OH in October. We get up to the checkpoint and TSA tells us we can go through the fast-track lane, or whatever they call it. The one where you don't have to remove shoes, take laptop out, etc., because our boarding passes have a prescreened designation on them. Fine by me. But the guy says, in his best Sgt Friday deadpan voice, that they'll have to swab my hands first.

We step through the metal detector, and it chimes when my eight year old boy goes through. I start to check him for metal and the agent says, "No, it's just a random signal for an extra check, so we have to swab your (meaning my) hands." I start to tell her that they did that 15 seconds ago 15 feet away, but figured why trigger the whole turn-your-head-and-cough treatment.

On the return trip, I go right to the fast lane. The guy looks at my boarding pass, sighs, and in his best "I'm really tired of these morons," voice tells me to go to the main line. Turns out the prescreen designation was only on the kids' boarding passes (because of their ages) but not mine. My overall impression: inconsistant silliness.
 
Civility and following the rules are the requirements both here AND at the Airport...

We have witnessed a major thread drift

Let this be the last word..
 
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